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Well, the title should be "Why Liberals get sick listening to Conservatives talk about religion."

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/phil-zuckerman/why-evangelicals-hate-jes_b_830237.html

 

 

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This article was co-authored by Dan Cady is an assistant professor of history at California State University, Fresno. He publishes on the history of the American West, music, and religion.

The results from a recent poll published by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life (http://www.pewforum.org/Politics-and-Elections/Tea-Party-and-Religion.aspx) reveal what social scientists have known for a long time: White Evangelical Christians are the group least likely to support politicians or policies that reflect the actual teachings of Jesus. It is perhaps one of the strangest, most dumb-founding ironies in contemporary American culture. Evangelical Christians, who most fiercely proclaim to have a personal relationship with Christ, who most confidently declare their belief that the Bible is the inerrant word of God, who go to church on a regular basis, pray daily, listen to Christian music, and place God and His Only Begotten Son at the center of their lives, are simultaneously the very people most likely to reject his teachings and despise his radical message.

 

Great article.

 

Why is it that the very people who go about spouting the word "Jesus" everywhere are the very people who are less likely to follow his teachings?

 

Remember my evangelical friend who couldn't keep his pee-pee in his pants while married? I find it curious that even though he is now a deacon in his church, he still isn't allowed to go to a parishioner's home without a third person.... You'd think a deacon could be expected follow the teachings of Jesus without a witness, wouldn't you?

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White Evangelical Christians are the group least likely to support politicians or policies that reflect the actual teachings of Jesus.

For example, thou shalt abort they child, smoke pot, collect welfare, engage in homo sex,  and call anyone who disagrees with you a racist.

post #3 of 50
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Ummmm... that's Moses. The article is strictly discussing Christians and Jesus.

 

I understand, it is confusing.

 

 

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While we're all on the topic of morality, let's all reflect how Jesus would feel about this Republican Brainstorm:

 

 

Top 10 Worst Things about the Republicans' Immoral Budget

The Republican budget would:

1. Destroy 700,000 jobs, according to an independent economic analysis. 

2. Zero out federal funding for National Public Radio and public television.

3. Cut $1.3 billion from community health centers--which willdeprive more than three million low-income people of health care over the next few months.

4. Cut nearly a billion dollars in food and health care assistance to pregnant women, new moms, and children.

5. Kick more than 200,000 children out of pre-school by cutting funds for Head Start.

6. Force states to fire 65,000 teachers and aides, dramatically increasing class sizes, thanks to education cuts. 

7. Cut some or all financial aid for 9.4 million low- and middle-income college students.

8. Slash $1.6 billion from the National Institutes of Health, a cut that experts say would "send shockwaves" through cancer research, likely result in cuts to Alzheimer's and Parkinson's research, and cause job losses.

9. End the only federal family planning program, including cutting all federal funding that goes to Planned Parenthood to support cancer screenings and other women's health care.

10. Send 10,000 low-income veterans into homelessness by cutting in half the number of veterans who get housing vouchers this year.

Sources:

1. "GOP spending plan would cost 700,000 jobs, new report says,"The Washington Post, February 28, 2011 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/28/AR2011022802634.html

2. "GOP budget would cut funding for public broadcasting," The Washington Independent, February 14, 2011 
http://washingtonindependent.com/105534/gop-budget-would-cut-funding-for-public-broadcasting 

3. "NACHC Statement in Response to the Budget from the House Appropriations Committee," National Association of Community Health Centers website, accessed March 4, 2011 
http://www.nachc.org/pressrelease-detail.cfm?PressReleaseID=644

4."Bye Bye, Big Bird. Hello, E. Coli.," The New Republic, February 12, 2011 
http://www.tnr.com/blog/83387/house-republican-spending-cuts-pell-education-usda-pbs

House Republican Spending Cuts Target Programs For Children And Pregnant Women 
http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2011/02/09/gop-war-on-babies/

5. "Obama and the GOP's Spending Cuts: Where's the Outrage?"Mother Jones, February 18, 2011 
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/obama-spending-cuts-gop

6. Ibid.

7. "Deficit Reduction on the Backs of the Most Vulnerable," Center for American Progress, March 2011 
http://www.americanprogressaction.org/issues/2011/03/pdf/hit_budget_cuts.pdf(PDF)

8. "The GOP Budget and Cancer--Why New Research Is at Risk," Politics Daily, February 27, 2011 
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2011/02/27/the-gop-budget-and-cancer-why-new-research-is-at-risk/ 

"Republican Budget Cuts at Heart of Medical Research: Albert Hunt," Bloomberg, February 20, 2011 
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-20/republican-science-cuts-imperil-u-s-prominence-commentary-by-albert-hunt.html

"Durbin: Cuts to NIH put research jobs at risk," Business Week, February 28, 2011 
http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9LLSCB00.htm

9. "GOP Spending Plan: X-ing Out Title X Family Planning Funds,"Wall Street Journal, February 9, 2011 
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=206105

10. "House GOP Spending Cuts Would Prevent 10,000 Low-Income Veterans From Receiving Housing Assistance," Think Progress, March 1, 2011 
http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2011/03/01/homeless-vets-gop/

All this research courtesy of http://www.moveon.org

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And that bus driver in Texas? I sure hope he isn't trying to raise a family on that HUGE $50/k a year income you're all wanking about.

Yes, please, let's lower the standards for public bus drivers. confused.gif

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While I don't consider many of those websites reputable resources, it still brings up the question on what you consider moral measures toward fiscal responsibility. Do you really expect America to keep every committee, group, teacher, health and food program, etc out there when we're looking to trim budgets?
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Originally Posted by maybenow View Post

Ummmm... that's Moses. The article is strictly discussing Christians and Jesus.

 

I understand, it is confusing.

 

 



Oh, so Jesus never said thou shalt?

 

Like say, "Thou shalt love they neighbor as thyself."??

 

It's always amusing to have non Christians preaching to Christians. They pretend like they understand what Christ wants but never bother to read the actual Bible, except where it's posted out of context on the Daily KOS.

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dont expect an answer Rebel...its tough for maybenow to counter when he/she can't think for him/herself...i've read these arguments all over liberal blogs..COPY AND PASTE is what maybenow is good at

 

all you have to do is read the initial article that maybenow posted and you will laugh your butt off...its entirely incorrect..

 

this is a comment from that article...

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This article is also full of false statements about evangelica­ls: “they despise food stamp programs, subsidies for schools, hospitals, job training – anything that might dare help out those in need.” Evangelica­ls for generation­s have been building schools, colleges, hospitals, children’s homes, food shelters, clothes closets, training centers, crisis pregnancy clinics, and more. I have yet to ever come across an Atheist Memorial Hospital or Agnostic University in any city I know of. Secular liberals don’t mind co-opting conservati­ve institutio­ns, but they don’t seem keen on starting their own.

 

 

*just note: maybenow comes and goes during campaign seasons..youll notice if you hang around here more often....he/she is most likely paid by moveon or some other Soros front group...It really is hilarious once you realize how pathetic it is...

post #9 of 50
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Originally Posted by RebelT09 View Post

While I don't consider many of those websites reputable resources, it still brings up the question on what you consider moral measures toward fiscal responsibility. Do you really expect America to keep every committee, group, teacher, health and food program, etc out there when we're looking to trim budgets?


Absolutely. I expect America to repeal the Bush Tax Cuts for the Sinfully Rich. That would put America in the black by when was it? 2020? Whenever it is, when Warren Buffet tells America he's not paying enough taxes, I very strongly do believe that the Bush Tax Cuts for the Sinfully Rich absolutely need to be repealed. 

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1. Destroy 700,000 jobs, according to an independent economic analysis.

Thou shalt take money from those who earn it, give it to Caesar, and have them create plush jobs for the masses, or a bad Christian ye are! Do not allow the private sector to keep the money they earn and create these jobs! For the person is evil, but Caesar is good! Praise Caesar!

 

 

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2. Zero out federal funding for National Public Radio and public television.

 

Thou shalt have public radio and television!

 

 

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3. Cut $1.3 billion from community health centers--which willdeprive more than three million low-income people of health care over the next few months.

 

Thou shalt take the money from those who earn it, against their will, and give it to those who have not. Forget the words of Charity spoken earlier, in that miserable 1st century. The government shall take your money by force, and your neighbors money, and everyone elses money, whether they like it or not! My doctrine is not about personal giving, it's about government forcing you to give.

 

 

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4. Cut nearly a billion dollars in food and health care assistance to pregnant women, new moms, and children.

 

That part where I said, "The only religion you shall have is that of caring for widows and orphans"?? Forget it! That's the governments job. Now thou shall provide all thy income to Caesar and none to the Lord.

 

 

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5. Kick more than 200,000 children out of pre-school by cutting funds for Head Start

 

Thou shalt be forced by gun point to provide schooling for all of Caesars children.

 

 

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6. Force states to fire 65,000 teachers and aides, dramatically increasing class sizes, thanks to education cuts.

 

And thou shalt hire teachers to teach all of Caesars children no matter the poor results and lack of competition!

 

 

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7. Cut some or all financial aid for 9.4 million low- and middle-income college students.

 

Thou shalt provide schooling from cradle to grave for all those who wish it, whether you like it or not! For all people deserve liberal indoctrination for all their years.

 

 

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8. Slash $1.6 billion from the National Institutes of Health, a cut that experts say would "send shockwaves" through cancer research, likely result in cuts to Alzheimer's and Parkinson's research, and cause job losses.

 

And thou shalt provide money for medical research, for all know that the government and science go hand in hand and science is never politicized. Therefore, thou shalt not donate to science, thou shall give to Caesar who will decide what is and is not science and how much of your money will go towards globaloney research.

 

 

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9. End the only federal family planning program, including cutting all federal funding that goes to Planned Parenthood to support cancer screenings and other women's health care.

And thou shalt provide the funds to kill the Children of God in the womb! Those nasty little beasties!

 

 

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10. Send 10,000 low-income veterans into homelessness by cutting in half the number of veterans who get housing vouchers this year.

And thou shalt not be charitable towards those who protect you. Instead, thou shall be forced at gunpoint to give thy money to Caesar, who will then redistribute your monies as he see's fit to those he deems are deserving.

post #11 of 50
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Originally Posted by Baggi View Post

Oh, so Jesus never said thou shalt?

 

Like say, "Thou shalt love they neighbor as thyself."??

 

It's always amusing to have non Christians preaching to Christians. They pretend like they understand what Christ wants but never bother to read the actual Bible, except where it's posted out of context on the Daily KOS.

Okay, Bagsters, you got me. banana.gif Jesus probably said "thou shalt."

 

And to give just a little background, I graduated from a small Catholic New England college where we were all required to take Biblical Theology along with two other elective classes centered around the Bible. I actually had to agree during one heated seminar that it was okay that Mary Magdeline used expensive oil on Jesus' feet when she could have sold the oil to feed the poor, just to get Father Peter off my back. But I digress.

 

I'm your neighbor Bag, and you don't love me. I smoke pot in my living room and treat my gay and lesbian friends with respect. What would Jesus say about that?

 

 

post #12 of 50

Christ would tell you to be of sober mind (Don't smoke marijuana) and to treat all people with respect (Doesn't matter if they are gay or adulterous).

 

That respect means, you should tell them they are living a sinful life, to believe, repent and be baptized for the remission of their sins.

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Originally Posted by vlandsponger View Post

dont expect an answer Rebel...its tough for maybenow to counter when he/she can't think for him/herself...i've read these arguments all over liberal blogs..COPY AND PASTE is what maybenow is good at

 

all you have to do is read the initial article that maybenow posted and you will laugh your butt off...its entirely incorrect..

 

this is a comment from that article...

 

 

*just note: maybenow comes and goes during campaign seasons..youll notice if you hang around here more often....he/she is most likely paid by moveon or some other Soros front group...It really is hilarious once you realize how pathetic it is...

 

Well thanks to everyone for actually reading the article, and even for laughing your head, oh no, that was butt off. I honestly didn't think that any of you read anything unless it comes from rushlimbaugh.com (who, BTW, I had the displeasure of listening to the other day... talk about laughing one's proverbial butt off!).

 

*just note:  maybenow comes and goes when s/he has an afternoon to kill and/or when Fannie/Freddie go up, and I spend my time with you for free! Isn't that special!

 

*double just note:  maybenow did offer Rebel quite a lucid answer to his question.

post #14 of 50
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Originally Posted by RebelT09 View Post

While I don't consider many of those websites reputable resources, it still brings up the question on what you consider moral measures toward fiscal responsibility. Do you really expect America to keep every committee, group, teacher, health and food program, etc out there when we're looking to trim budgets?



Why not? We ingagning in the longest war in our country history all awhile cutting taxes.

 

All budget cuts must start with the ending of the war and cutting defense spending. It makes zero sense to fight a eight year long war half way around the world.

 

post #15 of 50
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Originally Posted by Baggi View Post

Christ would tell you to be of sober mind (Don't smoke marijuana) and to treat all people with respect (Doesn't matter if they are gay or adulterous).

 

That respect means, you should tell them they are living a sinful life, to believe, repent and be baptized for the remission of their sins.

You know, I don't think that's what Jesus would tell me. I think Jesus would tell me to be non-judgmental, and pot has only been illegal for about 70 years, so I highly doubt that Jesus had it out for the demon weed.

 

But again, this entire conversation is moot because during the time period "Jesus" was alive, thousands of people claimed to be "Jesus," and the entire New Testament was invented by Emperor Constantine 300 years later to stop the civil war between the Christians and the Pagans. rolleyes.gif

 

post #16 of 50
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Why not? We ingagning in the longest war in our country history all awhile cutting taxes.

 

All budget cuts must start with the ending of the war and cutting defense spending. It makes zero sense to fight a eight year long war half way around the world.

 

 

Well, you have to understand the eight year long half way around the world war was started by a President and Vice President with very close ties (and investments) to the oil industry, and that eight year long half way around the world war is with oil producing nations.

 

But I believe healing is occurring in the middle east, and America will quickly learn how expensive oil truly is (without all those subsidies going to the oil companies under Obama's Budget) and we can move on to a greener, healthier future for our children.
 

 

post #17 of 50
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Originally Posted by Baggi View Post

 

Thou shalt take money from those who earn it, give it to Caesar, and have them create plush jobs for the masses, or a bad Christian ye are! Do not allow the private sector to keep the money they earn and create these jobs! For the person is evil, but Caesar is good! Praise Caesar!

 

 

 

Thou shalt have public radio and television!

 

 

 

Thou shalt take the money from those who earn it, against their will, and give it to those who have not. Forget the words of Charity spoken earlier, in that miserable 1st century. The government shall take your money by force, and your neighbors money, and everyone elses money, whether they like it or not! My doctrine is not about personal giving, it's about government forcing you to give.

 

 

 

That part where I said, "The only religion you shall have is that of caring for widows and orphans"?? Forget it! That's the governments job. Now thou shall provide all thy income to Caesar and none to the Lord.

 

 

 

Thou shalt be forced by gun point to provide schooling for all of Caesars children.

 

 

 

And thou shalt hire teachers to teach all of Caesars children no matter the poor results and lack of competition!

 

 

 

Thou shalt provide schooling from cradle to grave for all those who wish it, whether you like it or not! For all people deserve liberal indoctrination for all their years.

 

 

 

And thou shalt provide money for medical research, for all know that the government and science go hand in hand and science is never politicized. Therefore, thou shalt not donate to science, thou shall give to Caesar who will decide what is and is not science and how much of your money will go towards globaloney research.

 

 

And thou shalt provide the funds to kill the Children of God in the womb! Those nasty little beasties!

 

 

And thou shalt not be charitable towards those who protect you. Instead, thou shall be forced at gunpoint to give thy money to Caesar, who will then redistribute your monies as he see's fit to those he deems are deserving.


Thou shalt see a psychiatrist and get some meds so you can think clearly.

 

Geeze, I'm sorry, I just don't have time to respond to all that nonsense.

 

But you are a colorful and persistent fellow, aren't you?

 

I do have to ask, though, who do you suppose this Caesar guy is? Some sort of salad dressing?

 

Caesar is not the "poor people;" Caesar is that top 1% I keep bitching about who aren't paying their fair share of taxes.

 

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atleast Rush is honest unlike this administration who was CAUGHT lying about the TRUE COST of health care reform......but thanks for trying...I don't listen to Rush however..there are other talk radio hosts that I prefer instead... oh and last I checked Bush wasn't in office..on the other hand, you ARE aware of how much MONEY Obama has received from oil companies....RIGHT maybenow? Why was the BP oil spill downplayed by congress/obama admin/the media? OBAMAS dirty hands are all over BP thats why... why are you still talking about "Bushs war" when Obama is CONTINUING IT! If I remember correctly, it was DEMOCRATS who were calling for something to be done with Iraq before the war...should I repost that video? and here is something odd....liberals are CRYING for intervention in Libya...I thought the US needed to STAY OUT of all those conflicts? what gives? Iraq was bad but freeing Libya is good? two faced? double talk? hypocritical? which one? oh and maybe...can you tell us WHICH alternative fuel Americans are going to use when oil becomes to expensive? is it solar? wind? hydro? geothermal? nuclear? which one? can you tell us WHICH of those can actually function on their own WITHOUT the governments hand all over it holding it up from complete collapse? can you? we are not even CLOSE to using your so called "green energy" alternative fuels......and yet you WANT to force Americans into that...thanks for looking out for those "poor people" that you just posted about in your initial post....good grief you are a hypocrite at best...

 

post #19 of 50
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Spong, it's difficult to read your rambling far too long paragraphs. A carriage return here and there adds spice.

 

As far as Rush's honesty, from what I heard the other day listening to his ramblings, he is certainly honest, you can say that for him. And I agree, Obama is a fraud, I'm very angry with the way the BP oil spill was handled, as well as the way Obama bent over and took it up the a*s on King Bush II's Excessive Tax Cuts for the Insanely Rich, and Obama's "compromises" on health care. 

 

I read somewhere recently that he will run in 2012 on repealing those Insane Tax Cuts for the Caesar, and here I was voting for him in 2008 because he promised then he would repeal now. He hasn't kept many of his promises under the auspices of "compromise" when I haven't seen on centimeter of compromise coming out of the Republicans.

 

Obama better kick it in gear or he's only going to last four years.

 

 

post #20 of 50
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And anyone (including the very passionate Mr. Hunter) who espouses that green energy is not "ready" has clearly done zero research and has some vested interest in fossil fuels. 

 

Drilling for oil is not cheap, and it is not safe. And natural gas is worse. Do your homework before you ramble.

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