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post #21 of 94
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Originally Posted by vlandsponger View Post
STOP THE UNIONS!

thats a good motto.....random post indeed..i just wanted to say it

oh and pensions are on the naughty list
WHY? I sense jealousy.
post #22 of 94
We've got a 401k plan and a pension, 1.7% a year for 20 years, anything more than that is 1% a year.

Plus, they contribute to my 401k plan.

The beauty is this. It's a public employee union! This is wonderful. They don't have to worry about bargaining with people who have to make a profit. It's the government! Not enough money? Raise taxes!

And like USMC, we're entitled too. They gave all of us, everyone, whether you've been in the job 5 years or 30 years, we all got a huge raise this year. For me it was about 5k a year, but for the newer guys it worked out to about 11k. Then, Obama announced that we wouldn't be getting our normal, annual, 2 to 3 percent raises.

Now a lot of employees, who will go without a January increase of about 2k, are screaming about their pay cut.

The Union is of course working hard to get us those 2 to 3 percent raises that we get every year. You know, cost of living and inflation and such, we got to keep up, right? Obviously the huge raise we got a few months back wasn't enough.

Ahhhh, public employee unions! Aren't they grand?

Now, if the government had to make a profit, things might be different. Instead, heck, we'll just tax everyone more to pay for us!
post #23 of 94
Not sure what you're talking about, but I have not had a raise in 2 years and probably won't get one for a couple or more years. Our union (police officers association) actually gave back about $1,000 per employee for 2011 not to mention eliminating sick time buyback for 2011.

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Originally Posted by Baggi View Post
We've got a 401k plan and a pension, 1.7% a year for 20 years, anything more than that is 1% a year.

Plus, they contribute to my 401k plan.

The beauty is this. It's a public employee union! This is wonderful. They don't have to worry about bargaining with people who have to make a profit. It's the government! Not enough money? Raise taxes!

And like USMC, we're entitled too. They gave all of us, everyone, whether you've been in the job 5 years or 30 years, we all got a huge raise this year. For me it was about 5k a year, but for the newer guys it worked out to about 11k. Then, Obama announced that we wouldn't be getting our normal, annual, 2 to 3 percent raises.

Now a lot of employees, who will go without a January increase of about 2k, are screaming about their pay cut.

The Union is of course working hard to get us those 2 to 3 percent raises that we get every year. You know, cost of living and inflation and such, we got to keep up, right? Obviously the huge raise we got a few months back wasn't enough.

Ahhhh, public employee unions! Aren't they grand?

Now, if the government had to make a profit, things might be different. Instead, heck, we'll just tax everyone more to pay for us!
post #24 of 94
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Originally Posted by USMC View Post
Not sure what you're talking about, but I have not had a raise in 2 years and probably won't get one for a couple or more years.
I'm talking about my awesome job wherein a Union works for me so that i'm way, way, way overpaid.
post #25 of 94
Thread Starter 
Riots in Egypt inspires Union thug in Palm Springs, California
to "win this country back"...LOL, it's NEVER belonged to him!
And to think that he traveled all the way from Chicago, Ill. to
be at that rally...it's thugs like him who stir up "Street Heat"


post #26 of 94
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More Union thuggery calling for violent revolution in America

 

post #27 of 94
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Behold a perfect representation of the union goons bleeding

the moonbat-ravaged state of Illinois into economic collapse:

 

 

The staggeringly greedy criminal racket known as public education has gotten so far out of control in the state that gave us Comrade Obama that taxpayers are on the hook for $1 BILLION IN PENSION FUNDS TO RETIRING TEACHERS. But at least the teachers unions have figured out how to pay for it all — by raising taxes, of course. That's why they took a day off from telling children about the evils of economic freedom so they could be bused into Springfield in April of last year to demand the government confiscate more of other people's money to keep their platinum-plated pensions afloat.

Unions are infamous for being so pathologically greedy that they will eat everything in sight, even if it means bankrupting everyone, themselves included.

Surely Illinois' leadership recognizes that they can't keep hiking taxes indefinitely.

But on second thought:

 

Champion News

 

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If you live in Illinois, don't fret. They could raise the tax rate to 100% — the ultimate goal for progressives — and it still wouldn't satiate the monstrous greed of public sector unions. So the rest of the country will be bailing you out, just like California… and New York… and Michigan… and eventually every other state run by liberals.

post #28 of 94
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J.B. Williams:

 

As usual, the American press is totally misrepresenting events in Wisconsin, Ohio and beyond, where state Governors are finally taking appropriate action to address their state budget disasters before state bankruptcy is their only option.

 

The goal of these governors is to stop the federal government from driving them into bankruptcy via federal mandates, including the insane federal demand that public sector unions be saved at the expense of state insolvency.

 

To set the record straight, Wisconsin and Ohio labor protests are NOT for the purpose of protecting jobs or even reasonable pay and benefits for public sector employees. The protests are focused solely on saving public sector unions, without which, there is no Democrat Party.

 

That explains why state and federal Democrats worked to rally and bus union thugs to Wisconsin as Democrat legislators fled from the state and their duties as legislators in an effort to shut down public schools and state business. Wisconsin business and education is being held hostage by 14 Democrats on the run in Illinois. - And that’s why collective bargaining and union thuggery must end for government jobs.

 

It’s NOT about “fair employment”

 

According to 2009 reports from the I.R.S. and Department of Labor, our national median household income rests at $49,777 – which of course takes into consideration both single and two income households. Two income households have a median income of $61,265 while single income households have a median income of only $30,444.

 

In contrast, teachers have a much better deal with a national average teacher salary of over $85,000 per year, plus golden benefits that most American can’t buy for any amount of money.

 

“There is a persistent misconception that teachers are not well paid. But a recent survey by the BLS shows that you can earn a very respectable teacher salary. Below is a list of the average annual salaries for teachers in some of the top-paying states.” – (From All Education Report)

 

• California – 128,930
• Texas – 102,630
• New York – 74,070
• Ohio – 52,060
• Pennsylvania – 46,770
• Illinois – $67,960
• Alaska – $67,640
• Connecticut – $65,790
• New Jersey – $65,420
• Rhode Island – $65, 050
• Massachusetts – $61,470

 

Basically, teachers are the highest paid people in pretty much any community. People can debate whether or not teachers should be the highest paid people in their community, but there can be no debate over the disastrous results of union tenure, collective thuggery and broken budgets that can no longer afford to be held hostage by labor unions.

 

Let’s be clear, teachers and other union members are fighting to keep households making $30k to $49k per year, paying union member 150-250% in higher wages and salaries, not counting their golden benefits that no other American has. They are desperate to keep their unions because without collective extortion rights, the 7% of American workers who belong to unions will be just like the other 93% of American workers, individuals with individual rights.

 

More than 60% of union workers

Private sector unions are almost gone in America, as union thugs forced U.S. manufacturing to move abroad in order to remain competitive in the retail market. As a result, over 60% of American union workers now hold government jobs or government contracts, ALL of them at direct expense to American taxpayers.

 

That’s why public sector unions are now the biggest political donors in America.

 

In fact, the single largest political donor in America today is the National Education Association. Right… the teachers union which is currently holding Wisconsin hostage. The NEA gave over $56 million in 2008 alone, 99% of it to Democrats at both the state and federal level. That’s why Democrats fled from Wisconsin. The NEA is their biggest political donor, without whom, they cannot survive.

 

Here’s who received that money… once again explaining why these same individuals will turn a state budget debate in Wisconsin into state-to-state civil war between union thugs and American taxpayers.

 

Under political “heavy hitters” we find the following groups…

 

Act Blue - The organization assists Democratic candidates and committees of all ideological persuasion, helping moderates and liberals alike. Through mid-2010, it has helped funnel more than $134 million—and counting

 

American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees - made up of 3,500 local unions representing 1.4 million members who work in public service and health care.

 

All but ONE of the Top Twenty political juggernauts in America today are Democrat Party juggernauts, most of them labor unions, including the labor union for lawyers and judges and the labor union for the press and media in America.

 

There is simply no getting around the fact that the international socialist labor movement has a death grip on American politics, both at the federal and state level, even though they are the highest paid 7% of American workers today. The problem is that they are completely committed to extorting all they can from taxpayers, they will use thuggery to do it, including violence and they have a scorched earth belief system. If we won’t let them win, they will make sure that there is nothing for taxpayers to win by burning everything to the ground.

 

In their corner are public sector unions, lawyers and judges, communications workers (the press and media), the courts and international socialists, not to mention almost every Democrat in America.

 

On our side are the millions of taxpayers stuck with the tab, and a few good leaders like Governor Scott Walker of Wisconsin.

 

Beyond America

Dozens of nations around the globe have fiscally hit rock bottom over the last few years, as their government budgets and economies were destroyed by public sector union contracts and unfunded union pension funds forcing law makers to choose between saving their counties and propping up labor unions.

 

The Middle East is in total meltdown, led by international labor unions and socialist community organizers from here and Europe, with union thugs causing violence in the streets of numerous Arab nations, which will result in radical Islamic control of those fallen governments looking forward.

 

If governors want to save their states, they have NO CHOICE but to bust their public sector union contracts and the labor movement that has pushed nation after nation, state after state towards the financial abyss.

 

When the Air Traffic Controllers tried to extort excessive contracts from President Ronald Reagan by shutting down the air traffic industry in 1981, Reagan gave them fair warning and then fired 11,000 air traffic controllers and put those flights back in the air.

 

Governor Walker and others will soon have no choice but to do the same. Our states and taxpayers simply cannot be held hostage by socialist labor union thuggery.

 

End Union Bid Only Too

Thousands of good paying jobs were lost the minute Democrats took office in 2008, as Obama & Co. reinstated “union bid only contracting” putting thousands of non-union trucking companies and construction contractors out of business with the stroke of a pen, via one of his first Executive Orders.

 

Democrats policy of protecting only union workers, 7% of the work force, at the expense of non-union workers, contractors and taxpayers MUST END as well.

 

For America to compete in a free market, the labor market must be liberated from the death grip of international socialist labor unions and at this stage, for states to avoid insolvency and ultimately bankruptcy, they have no choice but to bust the public sector unions, end union bid only contracting with taxpayer revenue and eventually make every state a Right to Work state again.

 

The rights and interests of the people at large trump the selfish international socialist interests of labor unions and their bought and paid for Democrats.

 

Non-union workers and taxpayers must unite behind leaders willing to lead that charge, like Governor Walker in Wisconsin and Governor Kasich of Ohio.

 

Union thugs and international socialists who make up today’s Democrat Party will likely make this a violent battle. But thuggery and extortion cannot be allowed to stand anymore in the land of the free and home of the brave.

 

State legislators must support these leaders by reasserting their state’s rights. They can follow Arizona Senator Lori Klein and her SB 1433 State Nullification Act. At least 28 states are working on nullifying unconstitutional federal abuses of power.

 

It’s time for the American people to stand with these leaders and put an end to the destruction of American freedom and liberty at the hands of international socialists and their labor unions.

 

It’s time to bust the unions!

post #29 of 94

hey now 2Shea! stop with the facts!

 

hey hey...ho ho...the facts have got to go! hey hey...ho ho...the facts have got to go!

 

cmon everyone join in with me!

 

 

 

 

;) great posts

post #30 of 94
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UNCIVIL UNIONS
March 2, 2011
Ann Coulter

As Obama rakes in historic campaign contributions from Wall Street money, liberals claim Republicans are beholden to "the rich." However that may be, it is far more true, and far less remarked upon, that the Democratic Party is the party of public sector unions.

And now, the nation watches helplessly as public sector unions and their Democratic allies say to Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker: Nice state you got there, governor. Be a shame if something bad happened to it.

For Democrats, the purpose of government is to generously provide jobs for people who otherwise couldn't be hired -- because their skills, attitude or sense of entitlement are considered undesirable in the private sector. And no, I'm not just talking about Barack Obama.

Democrats use taxpayer money to fund a government jobs program, impoverishing the middle class and harming the people allegedly helped by the programs -- but creating a vast class of voters who owe their jobs to the Democrats.

This is a system designed to ratchet up costs. Look at the history of every entity where public employees have unionized, and you will find that not only are government workers paid more, but there are also a lot more of them doing a lot less useful work.

There could be two students per class, and the Democrats would still be campaigning for "smaller class size," so that the government would be required to hire more public school teachers to staff classes with one student. For Democrats, the purpose of public education in this country is not to teach children; it's to create jobs for "educators."

Forget the nonsense about working men with dirt under their fingernails, slugging it out at dangerous jobs with a heartless management riding them to get more production at lower wages –- those guys are what liberal journalist Harold Meyerson calls "dead weight."

We're talking about government employees, most of whom -- when they show up to work at all -- sit in comfortable, air-conditioned offices, kick off at 3 p.m., are entitled to endless sick days, personal days and holidays, whose performance can never be evaluated and who retire at age 50. (Again, I'm not focusing just on Barack Obama here.)

Government employees are even worse than welfare layabouts. In a triple-whammy for the taxpayer, they are: (1) hideously expensive, (2) impossible to fire, and (3) doing things you don't want done at any price.

Hey, guess what? I'm from the government, and I can burn down your garage for $300!

NO! I'M NOT INTERESTED!

OK, fine, I'll do it for you for $20.

BUT I DON'T WANT MY GARAGE BURNED DOWN AT ANY PRICE!

OK, the guys with the matches and gasoline will be by sometime between 10 a.m. and 5 p.m. one day next week.

As with so many other things, such as vegan restaurants and the crack epidemic, California leads the country in destruction by government unions.

California's civil service unions have employed all the usual thug techniques –- regular strikes (illegal until the California Supreme Court approved them in 1985), rolling strikes, the "blue flu" (cops and other public-safety workers calling in "sick") -- all of which are almost as harmful to the state as when they actually show up for work.

While taxpayers groan under their tax burdens, one group of voters is constantly lobbying for higher taxes: government employees, who are paid by the taxpayer.

When California voters approved Proposition 13 back in 1978, cutting astronomical property taxes 57 percent, the public sector unions went ballistic.

Union bigwig Ron Coleman said, "We're not going to just lie back and take it."

John Seferian, vice president of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME), said the union should have told politicians: "Hey, we'll bring the roof down on you." (Which you have to be a member of the roofers' union to do.)

Jerry Wurf, president of AFSCME, warned that the union was "prepared for confrontation."

His solution to the ballooning cost of government employees was ... guess? That's right, it was the same as it always is: Tax the rich.

"Let the big shots pay!" Wurf said. Embodying the hopes and dreams of our Founding Fathers, Wurf said organizing government employees was part of his goal to "remake the economic and political system" in line with the vision of socialist Norman Thomas and the Young People's Socialist League.

Members of public sector unions see their pensions and benefits the way the Mafia views its "partnership" with a restaurant, as described in the movie "Goodfellas": "Business bad? F--k you, pay me. Oh, you had a fire? F--k you, pay me. Place got hit by lightning, huh? F--k you, pay me."

Spoiler alert: When the restaurant owner is unable to pay his mob tribute, they burn the place to the ground.

But government employees aren't exactly like the mob. At least the Mafia guys have a strong work ethic.

post #31 of 94
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Teachers Unions 101: “A” is for “Agitation”

Written on March 5, 2011 by Michelle Malkin

 

 

If public school teachers spent more time teaching in classrooms and less time community-organizing in political war rooms, maybe taxpayers wouldn’t feel as ripped off as they do. Before the Big Labor bosses start complaining about “teacher-bashing,” let’s be clear: An increasing number of rank-and-file teachers feel exactly the same way.

 

 

Retired New York teacher Vinne Cusimano, who was required to pay forced union dues in order to work, wrote me this week after receiving the March 2011 edition of his union’s monthly publication. The cover of the New York State United Teachers (NYSUT) magazine reads: “Defend What Matters! Educate. Collaborate. AGITATE.” Inside the pamphlet, NYSUT President Richard Iannuzzi rails against “malicious politicians” in Wisconsin and elsewhere proposing “extreme anti-union” budget cuts. He urges his members to join “advocacy” efforts to “maintain critical resources” and lectures about the need to “value education over ideology and greed.”

 

Cusimano, who taught for four decades in the Empire State, fired back at Ianuzzi in an open letter:

“As a member for over 40 years, I have never been so disappointed at the stand you are taking to call members to ‘AGITATE!’ We are trying to tamp down the rhetoric and you are outward(ly) inciting agitation. How dare you! You are supposed to be for the students/teachers. … How can you support ‘EDUCATE,’ ‘COLLABORATE,’ and then encourage agitation?”

 

More to the point, what business does Iannuzzi — a fat-cat union official who rakes in nearly $300,000 a year (plus a $100,000 pension) while his organization’s net assets are more than $117 million in the red — have lecturing anyone else about “ideology and greed”? Instead of imposing fiscal discipline on NYSUT, Iannuzzi and his cronies have gone on a spending spree — dumping nearly $10.5 million into left-wing Democratic politics this past year alone. The NYSUT boasts a lobbying staff of 500, a 200,000-square-foot palace in Albany and a $213 million operating budget — paid for through compulsory union dues of about $300 a year from some 600,000 members.

 

“Agitation,” of course, is a full-time job for teachers union officials in New York and across the country. As the New York Post reported exclusively this week, the city Department of Education compensates some 1,500 teachers for their union activities and also subsidizes other teachers who take their places in the classroom: “It’s a sweetheart deal that costs taxpayers an extra $9 million a year to pay fill-ins for instructors who are sprung — at full pay — to carry out responsibilities for the United Federation of Teachers.”

 

The UFT soldiers “collect top pay and fringe benefits, but work just one class period a day.” Nice non-work if you can get it.

NYSUT, by the way, is the parent of the double-dipping UFT, which itself rakes in $126 million in member dues — but only reimburses the city less than $1 million out of the $9 million it costs to take teachers out of the classroom to serve at the altar of Big Labor. UFT is also a chapter of the American Federation of Teachers (AFT), which spent nearly $2 million on the election of President Barack Obama in 2008. (In return, you may recall, the Obama administration granted the UFT one of its coveted health care Waivers for Favors last year — exempting the behemoth union in a sweetheart deal from the federal mandate’s costly rules on phasing out annual health coverage limits.)

 

The forced-dues racket is big business for teachers unions crying poor. In Ohio, the state’s education association siphoned nearly $23 million from rank-and-file school workers to fatten up its union staff. The Ohio Education Association donated more than $1.6 million to Democratic campaigns last year and tossed off five-figure checks each to union and progressive allies in Oregon, Colorado and Policy Matters Ohio, a left-wing think tank funded by radical billionaire George Soros.

 

At the federal level, the National Education Association squandered $13 million in teachers’ dues on every pet liberal cause and crony from the AFL-CIO ($150,000) and AFSCME ($90,000), to the Edward M. Kennedy Institute for the United States Senate ($200,000), Media Matters for America ($100,000) and the White House brigade at Health Care for America Now! ($450,000).

 

The goals of the teachers union machine are not academic excellence, professional development and fairness. As former NEA official John Lloyd explained it: “You cannot possibly understand NEA without understanding Saul Alinsky. If you want to understand NEA, go to the library and get ‘Rules for Radicals.’”

The goals are student indoctrination, social upheaval and perpetual agitation in pursuit of bigger government and spending without restraint. No wonder the signature “solidarity” color of the teachers union protests this month is red.

post #32 of 94

give me the name of one school in texas that pays a teacher 6 figures.just one. a teacher. not an administrator, a teacher. not 10, just one. one school.

post #33 of 94
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give me the name of one school in texas that pays a teacher 6 figures.just one. a teacher. not an administrator, a teacher. not 10, just one. one school.



http://www.texastribune.org/library/data/government-employee-salaries/titles/teacher/63/

post #34 of 94
Wow, a friggin bus driver can make almost 50k in Texas? No wonder public transportation is bleeding us dry.
post #35 of 94

And just how much do you suppose a person who is driving a 12 ton weapon around the city all day should make?

 

Would you feel better if the driver was a stressed out 20-something making $18k?

 

Or maybe a single Mom making $20k? (which I believe would qualify her for food stamps, depending on the size of the family)

 

How much do you think that person behind that 12 ton weapon should be making for his/her efforts? What type of person do you think you're going to find?...

 

I know! Techunter's receptionist is making far less... maybe she'd like to drive a 12 ton weapon around town for $30k!!!!!

post #36 of 94

I admit I am surprised...there are actually 4 teachers that make over 6 figs in tx.

 

Great math in your report shea.

post #37 of 94

 

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And just how much do you suppose a person who is driving a 12 ton weapon around the city all day should make?

 

Would you feel better if the driver was a stressed out 20-something making $18k?

 

Or maybe a single Mom making $20k? (which I believe would qualify her for food stamps, depending on the size of the family)

 

How much do you think that person behind that 12 ton weapon should be making for his/her efforts? What type of person do you think you're going to find?...

 

I know! Techunter's receptionist is making far less... maybe she'd like to drive a 12 ton weapon around town for $30k!!!!!

 

wait a minute........I always thought it was the GUNS fault not the gun owner who pulls the trigger...just like your "weapon" argument here....the BUS is to blame not the driver! I think youre a little confused there mr lefty

 

and 50k a year to drive a bus is pretty absurd......all you need is a special CDL and thats pretty much it...you run the same routes..you pick up roughly the same people....and you earn 50k a year...wow..thats almost as bad (good in this sense) as garbage men! oh sorry, waste removal services personnel! like a previous poster said....no wonder our country is BROKE!

 

i like how you tried to make it driving a bus into this incredibly tough and dangerous job by trying to call it a weapon. Maybe that butcher down the road who wields a giant knife flinging it around in the air all day should make 75k because God forbid he lets go of it and it flys down the street chopping off heads...ok nevermind i won't go there with the chopping off heads joke...anyways, you can argue all you want that one job is "tougher" or has more "responsibility" than another..and ill argue the exact OPPOSITE of what you're arguing because your leftist views are extremely distorted...

 

NOW LETS RAISE SOME TAXES and throw another WHITE HOUSE PARTY!!!!! and so we can pay off the 223 BILLION deficit of JUST february of this year....thats larger than the ENTIRE 2007 years deficit...HIP HIP HOORAY! raise taxes for more government spending!

post #38 of 94
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Originally Posted by maybenow View Post

And just how much do you suppose a person who is driving a 12 ton weapon around the city all day should make?

 

Would you feel better if the driver was a stressed out 20-something making $18k?

 

Or maybe a single Mom making $20k? (which I believe would qualify her for food stamps, depending on the size of the family)

 

How much do you think that person behind that 12 ton weapon should be making for his/her efforts? What type of person do you think you're going to find?...

 

I know! Techunter's receptionist is making far less... maybe she'd like to drive a 12 ton weapon around town for $30k!!!!!



First of all, I don't like tax supported "public" transportation.  Those who use it should pay enough to keep it running.  Perhaps part of the reason why public transportation is a giant sinkhole of taxpayer money is because its unionized employees are overpaid for the work that they do. 

 

Should somebody who drives a route all day be paid $50k?  Remember, $50k in Texas is a pretty good living and driving a bus isn't difficult at all.  That's more money than a lot of college graduates make. 

 

Between garbage men and bus drivers, I heartily agree that garbagemen should make more.  Being a garbageman exposes you to all kinds of weather, the job is physical, dirty and smelly.

 

The easiest way to see if a job is overpaid is to ask, if they offered $30k a year, would people be lining up for the job?  I would bet so.

post #39 of 94

While we're at it, there are many cross-country truck drivers that drive 40 ton "weapons" all over the place.  Along your line of reasoning, should we pay them by the ton?  Which do you think is fair, should we pay the bus driver $15k for 12 tons or the truck driver $250 for 40 tons?

post #40 of 94

What kind of weapons are we talking about here?

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