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post #61 of 85
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I think that is the stupidest thing I have seen you write. You dont have to read the bill, PLENTY of people have done that for you.WTF! What planet are you on? Really?
You have union groups to lobbyist groups to the CBO to common articles that condense the bill down. Do you not know the resources out there?

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If Pelosi was on the Obamacare plan as you claim then when she falls and breaks her hip she can wait in line like everyone else.
What is the Obamacare plan? What is this mysterious healthcare plan that people can sign up to?

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I doubt that is what will happen, because she is on a govt sponsered plan far better than what she is legislating. How about when she comes down with the birdflu and we have to ration care like the wonderful Obama appointed Berwick has said we will do under Obamacare.
Berwick was talking about Medicare, which exists outside of Obamacare. And yes, it will have to "ration" care just like health insurance "rations" care. It has always "rationed" care. They can only pay up to the premiums they recieve. Medicare can also draw upon its trust, but that is it.

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Will she get her ration? YES, because she is not on Obamacare. The difference between what plan the congress is on and the Obamacare, is not just how it is funded. Come up for air man.
Congress is on a government health-care plan, just like many other government workers. Imagine that their employer is the government, and istead of going through an intermediary, they do it directly.

No one can be "on" Obamacare in the way you are saying. That is like saying you are "on" social security or "on" unemployment. The government gives you the money/subsidy/tax break, and lets you use it towards paying your healthcare premiums.
post #62 of 85
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Congress is on a government health-care plan, just like many other government workers. Imagine that their employer is the government, and istead of going through an intermediary, they do it directly.

No one can be "on" Obamacare in the way you are saying. That is like saying you are "on" social security or "on" unemployment. The government gives you the money/subsidy/tax break, and lets you use it towards paying your healthcare premiums.
Like Pelosi, I too get my health care through my employer, the government.

However, like Pelosi, i'm not on Obamacare.

Yes, Dorothy, you can be on Obamacare.

Here's how it works.

I have health insurance through Blue Cross. It's very expensive health care costing over $1,000.00 a month. Fortunately for me, I only have to pay a small portion of that, my employer, the Government, pays the rest. The numbers can change depending on how I want to be insured, but I have lot's of choices based on the type of coverage I want.

Is Obamacare the same?

No, it's not.

This is why so many people were opposed to Obamacare, it was broken before it was ever completed. There are so many problems with the bill that the only answer to it is to scrap it and start over.

The idea behind Obamacare was that people were going to be able to get free or cheap health insurance, paid for by magic fairy dust, and then due to that free or cheap health insurance, they were going to receive top notch free health care, thanks again to magic fairy dust. Pre existing condition? Voila! You cannot be denied medical care, and cheap medical care too, and you won't have to work to pay off any bill after you've received your care. Aren't we nice? (pssst, it wasn't our money, so no biggee, dude!).

Here's the common sense kicker though, that politicians and their echo chambers don't get. Nothing is free. You're not going to get the same insurance I have. Maybe both will be paid for by the government, but I promise you, that will be the only similarity. The good doctors, the ones who have proven themselves, owe hundreds of thousands of dollars in business loans and student loans, they're going to take my money and give me and Pelosi great medical care.

Those under Obamacare? Not so much. These greedy bastard doctors are going to do everything they can to drop you like a hot potato and you'll go to the wonderful, kind hearted, lovable doctors who were trained in Tijuana.

That is, until the Government figures out they left some "loophole" or other in the law and they can get those greedy bastards and force them to serve everyone equally for the love of pete!

Yeah, that'll work.

But yes, eventually, even Pelosi and I will have to be on Obamacare. And then, Pelosi will take her private jet to wherever all the doctors have moved to, like they do in Canada to come down here, in order to get her medical care.
post #63 of 85
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Originally Posted by rolexian View Post
You have union groups to lobbyist groups to the CBO to common articles that condense the bill down. Do you not know the resources out there?



What is the Obamacare plan? What is this mysterious healthcare plan that people can sign up to?



Berwick was talking about Medicare, which exists outside of Obamacare. And yes, it will have to "ration" care just like health insurance "rations" care. It has always "rationed" care. They can only pay up to the premiums they recieve. Medicare can also draw upon its trust, but that is it.



Congress is on a government health-care plan, just like many other government workers. Imagine that their employer is the government, and istead of going through an intermediary, they do it directly.

No one can be "on" Obamacare in the way you are saying. That is like saying you are "on" social security or "on" unemployment. The government gives you the money/subsidy/tax break, and lets you use it towards paying your healthcare premiums.
Did everyone read everything for you and tell you what to believe. Even when you read, you have to be skeptical about where the info comes from etc. I am glad that you have chosen to allow "smart" people to do your reading for you, as for me I will do my own. Maybe you can have Barney Frank do your reading when you take out a mortgage. I bet he will tell you that Fannie and Freddie are solid. How about asking Bernie Madoff about investing. Enjoy your fantasy world that the libs set up for you.
post #64 of 85
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Originally Posted by rolexian View Post
.BTW, you don't have to read the bill. PLENTY of people have done that for you.
You're shitting me, right? "we've have to pass the bill, so you can FIND OUT what's in it" Piglosi

Obama "promised" to publish ALL non emergency legislation on "HIS" website 5 days prior to any action. Listen, I wasn't born yesterday...some of you can start your revisionist history, but the "right wing zealots and skin head nazi gun toting whitey slave owning earth ruining- non black membership teaparty members" ain't buying it.
He's a LIAR

Or maybe you're a senator Baucus fan: "We" hire experts

Someone forgot to tell this dipshit, WE, the taxpayers pay for that

INCOMPETENCE

If you like, I will dig up interviews with senators and their response to: Have you read the bill?

Stop getting you're info from the "view"....
post #65 of 85
Yeah, i'd have to say that rolexian be-clowned himself with that one.
post #66 of 85
US Judge issues ruling health care lawsuit against the Obama health-care reform act unconstitutional.
post #67 of 85
That sentence is confusing.

Got a link?
post #68 of 85
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Originally Posted by Baggi View Post
That sentence is confusing.

Got a link?
its being tweeted by reliable sources, I will post link when i see one
post #69 of 85
Cnbc is now reporting it
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http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/31...onstitutional/

Federal judge says key parts of health care reform unconstitutional
January 31st, 2011
03:01 PM ET




A federal judge in Florida has struck down as unconstitutional key parts of the sweeping health care reform bill championed by President Barack Obama. Officials in Florida and 25 other states are challenging sections of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, including the "individual mandate" requiring most Americans to purchase health insurance in four years or face stiff penalties.
post #71 of 85
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Originally Posted by stang3O2 View Post
US Judge issues ruling health care lawsuit against the Obama health-care reform act unconstitutional.
It's only unconstitutional because you guys are racist!
post #72 of 85
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Originally Posted by Bigcat View Post
It's only unconstitutional because you guys are racist!
Nice, I love the racist card. Can I play the D-bag card now? Come up for air! Don't like the constitution, find a socialist country to live in and get the hell out of here.
post #73 of 85
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Originally Posted by emptydogg247 View Post
Nice, I love the racist card. Can I play the D-bag card now? Come up for air! Don't like the constitution, find a socialist country to live in and get the hell out of here.
Er....... Sarcasm. Yes.
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Er....... Sarcasm. Yes.
post #75 of 85
ObamaCare Got MUGGED while in a dark alley in Florida.



The Death Panel DID it!!!!


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post #76 of 85

BwaaaaaHAHAHAHA

 

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So my parents, who are college professors, found out today that the state school here in texas will not be providing the Blue cross blue shield health insurance after this semester. They also informed them that they will have to purchase that same insurance when the future mandate comes from the president. It got me wondering, my mom gets paid 1500 every 2 weeks, now its going to be like she loses a 3rd of her paycheck for the insurance. People are calling Obama some sort of socialist...I'm not seeing that. In Socialist countries, when the taxes go up, some things are then paid for by the government, here in the states it seems like taxes go up, and we pay for everything. So apparently all of the teachers in this school are organizing a strike, my mom is been wokring there a long time, but the people that just arrived, and only have masters degrees are only making around 35k a year, so to force them to pay for health insurance will take up half of their monthly salary.

 

Just want to hear what u guys have to say about it

post #78 of 85

Why not have the financial institutions pay for our insurance for a few hundred years, they are they only  ones who can afford it

 

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Originally Posted by cmb View Post

So my parents, who are college professors, found out today that the state school here in texas will not be providing the Blue cross blue shield health insurance after this semester. They also informed them that they will have to purchase that same insurance when the future mandate comes from the president. It got me wondering, my mom gets paid 1500 every 2 weeks, now its going to be like she loses a 3rd of her paycheck for the insurance. People are calling Obama some sort of socialist...I'm not seeing that. In Socialist countries, when the taxes go up, some things are then paid for by the government, here in the states it seems like taxes go up, and we pay for everything. So apparently all of the teachers in this school are organizing a strike, my mom is been wokring there a long time, but the people that just arrived, and only have masters degrees are only making around 35k a year, so to force them to pay for health insurance will take up half of their monthly salary.

 

Just want to hear what u guys have to say about it

post #79 of 85
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Originally Posted by cmb View Post

So my parents, who are college professors, found out today that the state school here in texas will not be providing the Blue cross blue shield health insurance after this semester. They also informed them that they will have to purchase that same insurance when the future mandate comes from the president. It got me wondering, my mom gets paid 1500 every 2 weeks, now its going to be like she loses a 3rd of her paycheck for the insurance. People are calling Obama some sort of socialist...I'm not seeing that. In Socialist countries, when the taxes go up, some things are then paid for by the government, here in the states it seems like taxes go up, and we pay for everything. So apparently all of the teachers in this school are organizing a strike, my mom is been wokring there a long time, but the people that just arrived, and only have masters degrees are only making around 35k a year, so to force them to pay for health insurance will take up half of their monthly salary.

 

Just want to hear what u guys have to say about it



I have a few thoughts on this one.

 

1) Everyone should have to pay something for their health care. I'm not sure what your mother was paying before, and it's not clear what she will have to pay now, but either way, your family should have to pay something for your health care. Everyone should.

 

2) Obamacare is a big mess. Not even the Democrats who pushed it knew what the heck was going to happen when it passed. This is why there are now something like 700 waivers out there to excuse people (A lot of them in Unions) from the penalties of Obamacare. The whole point of Obamacare is to push people to a single payer government option. That is to say, to make it so difficult to get health insurance through your business, that you're only choice will be to get it from the governemnt. Obamacare doesn't do this all in one swipe. It takes year to make this happen, but that's the general idea.

 

3) None of this will ultimately matter. Obamacare is going to be repealed eventually. Whether its repealed piece meal by Republicans refusing to fund it, or after the next 2012 election, it will eventually be repealed. It was a huge turd that will eventually get flushed. It will go down in history as the Democrat equivalent to Waterloo.

post #80 of 85

The Higher ups in the school estimated she will have to pay 1/3rd of her monthly paycheck for insurance. Also found out a little more...they are mandating that all full time faculty will have to teach 18 credit hours (6 3 hours classes) instead of 15 credit hours, and no increase in salary.

 

 

But you are saying baggi that its ok to lose a 3rd of a salary because insurance rates are going up? (the reasoning the school gave for hacking health benefits) So my mom is currently taxed around 30%...now add another 30% for health care...now this is turning into a communist country without free universities, still having to pay for Doctors visits, still have to pay a deductable. Its almost impossible that our government is this dumb.  

 

Yes they want a single payer system, if the insurance companies are raising these rates so high that its bankrupting a school, it seems like a government run health system is going to be the only way in a few years.  This country is turning into a place where people with a masters degree are going to be driving Taxis.

 

Now the government is toying with cutting out social security...ok...however my Mom for example has been paying into that, now all of that money is wasted, because in 5 years she may get nothing. 

Its going to be interesting when retirement comes in the next few years.  My Parents are in the process of moving out of the country for retirement, and setting up a rental property that will net them around $800 a month, so at least that will guarantee something. $800 goes a long way in Thailand ;)

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