Ok.. this is getting silly. The TSA is out control.

It is getting a bit ridiculous, but if you think about it if you were going to try to get something on a plane would you use a guy with a turban or the innocent old lady?

My buddy works for DHS with the TSA and he has told me some pretty funny stories. Some of the things they do are for a reason, but the other 99% who knows

but but that would be profiling if they didnt do everyone

No, it is reverse profiling

Was a guy dressed as a grandma the other day that snuck into canada. Almost got away with it I guess. Might be related, idk. Personally think its all one huge pita since 9/11, but what can you do.

The problem with them is that they are reactive instead of being proactive. Instead of looking at what terrorists and such may do to beat security in the future they tend to focus on what they did in the past.

It was an old man

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americ...iref=allsearch

Funny because IMO this is all caused by liberal thinking. Got to make the people feel safe. Bunch of BS.

And they are trying to be pro-active. They think in the future ANY liquid will be an explosive. Thats why you can not take any toothpaste, hair gel/shampoo etc on the plane. And there apparently may be a fingernail clipper ninja training camp somewhere also.

I want to join the 'underwire bra assassin league'

tell me more about your uniforms...

Actually, real conservatives could defend this.

They would say:

The airline industry is a private industry. If they mess up, hold them liable. But they can use whatever screening method they want. If they don't want to risk pissing people off because they are racially profiling, that is their call. And if they don't want to let people slip by doing racial profiling, that is also their call.

Some constitional conservatives would say:

The 8th amendment would suggest that any kind of usual procedure i too much. The 9th amendment and the statement "that all men are created equal", American's historical tolerance, and the idea that we are a society that does not judge by outward appearances would also be strongly agaisnt racial profiling. The 14th amendment, specifically the Due Process and Equal Protection Clause, suggests that racial profiling, as well as the targeting of any group of citizens that is not due to their actions, is unconstitutional.

And you would have independents and what not saying:

What about Irish Catholics? They do terrorist attacks in England.
What about fundamentalist Christians? One killed a doctor, another attacked a Holocaust memorial, WTC bombing...
What about member of the Tea Party? One tried to fly a plane into the IRS, they talk about violent revolution; one brought a gun to Obama's speech...

They would remind us of the shame this country still carries from detaining thousands of Japanese-Americans, many with American citizenship.

EDIT: I mean that is what they would say about racial profiling.

I would say that the current fear state was created through a nice bipartisan effort, that was spearheaded by Bush and is being continued with Obama.

Along those lines..there are too many who want and expect the government to provide an entirely "safe from hazards and risk free environment to live in" full of puppy's and rainbows and unicorns...and such is just not the case in reality--and if anything can cause even such a splinter or a sad/mad/unglad/bad feeling in a person--then it should be banned from existence.. That type of ignorant mentality and 'fear' is what got us here...and is making this TSA / SS stuff and other things so absurd and lame--"take away my individual rights & dignity and liberty just as long as I can feel safe" is a pussy's mantra...and its exactly what terrorists want people to be like--and as such with these TSA invasions & what we give up over and over and over as we keep backing away--the terrorists have already won...and are laughing at this great country and its 'free people' who are not so free anymore--we let them win by letting this type of BS happen and become part of our daily lives.. Its just a matter of time til they actually take direct control instead of wielding their indirect control... Oh no--a terrorist may use toilet paper to hide and transport a bomb--we have to outlaw toilet paper.. Ok then somebody show me how to use the seashells...

Life is risk--risk is life...and if there exists a level of ignorant fear-minded or stupid people that do not know not to hit themselves with a hammer or that coffee out of a pot may be HOT or that flying in general is a risk or that holding onto a firecracker could hurt them--then so be it--they are the ones who need to meet the reality and grow some brains and not drag the rest of us down to their idiocracy & ignorant dream world of fiction... We need to stop coddling the lesser intelligent and hyper-emotional air-breathers out there without a lick of common sense and start catering to common sense reality and intelligence...

Don't need to be a fingernail clipper ninja to be a threat to someone---anyone with any training can be a threat and kill easily barehanded...heck I know I can do quite a bit of damage onto a person with a magazine or some newspaper as my weapon. Anyone determined to do something can make do with what they have. But I fully expect that airlines will simply end up putting people in individual bomb-proof boxes naked like we're in coffins...stacking us like cargo in a airplane, and gassing everyone so they sleep thru the entire flight to our destinations....its only a matter of time until that is where this is all absurdly headed.



-w

That about sums it up. Also throw in that it's one huge money grab.


And how can one not see this is caused by liberals? Do I really need to explain?

It depends on what you mean.

Traditionally, conservatives would be completely opposed to this.

But tradionally, liberals would be as well. Liberals are generally anti-goverment as well when it comes to these kinds of issues; traditionally, both sides have hated invasions of privacy, brutal police forces, etc.

Contemporarily, the neoconservatives are completely behind this. It was Bush and a Republican Congress that pushed these measures through. They created the fear-mongering. And it was the conservative base that rallied America to give up our freedoms, all in the name of a safe and secure nation. During that time, it was "liberal" groups that spearheaded resistance to these government programs, military invasions, etc. Joining them was a tiny number of Ron Paul/Pat Buchanan paleocons.

We are already seeing the switch, however. As Obama has taken power and supports the same destruction of our privacies as Bush, liberals slowly flock towards him and support his policies, while conservatives are starting to switch now that "their guy" isn't doing the policing. And they are joined by a small number of "real" progressives.

The Airline industry isn't pushing this, so good try with the conservative argument.

The truth here is pretty awful. We've decided in this society that we're not allowed to use common sense when it comes to police work.

Ive worked for 15 years for Immigration. I'm at the point now that I can spot illegals by just looking. Illegals as in, people who don't have legal documents to be in the United States. Am I wrong sometimes? Yep, who isn't? But for the most part, even when i'm wrong i'm partially right.

What do I mean by that? Well, if I approach a person I believe to be a Mexican national with no documents to be here, they usually are a Mexican national with no documents to be here. Their dress, their mode of communication, their respect for authority, their physical upkeep, etc, all bear certain markings. But even those who were once here without documents and got, for example, the Reagan amnesty, still bear those markings. Why? Because they are, like their illegal counterparts, seasonal workers. They don't live here in the United States and they have never bothered to learn our culture and our ways. They've stayed 100% Mexican, even though they have Lawful Permanent Resident Cards and are here legally.

The problem is, Mexican's tend to be brown skinned. Shocker, I know. And brown skin is not white skin. So that makes them a "Person of color". So, even if I see them and know them to be here illegally, or at least, a pretty good chance of it, I can't just "target" them and go and pick them out of a crowd and speak to them only.

So, I have to work the entire crowd. I'll start in the back with whoever is there, old couple, young couple, whatever, and make my way towards the people I know to be here illegally.

Then, if i'm questioned about it later, I can honestly say, "Hey, I worked the whole crowd, I didn't target those individuals, I spoke with 20 people before I got there!"

Does anyone really believe this is rational way to conduct police work?

Ya, you do actually need to explain it because you're talking out your ass.

I'm actually kind of surprised you don't see it and that it needs to be explained.

Liberals believe that the only reason more black people are in jail than is proportional to their numbers is society is because of white officer racism.

Without liberals, we wouldn't have the term "racial profiling." Every time their are protests against the police, do you think those people are Conservative Republicans out there protesting, or Liberal Democrats? Why do you suppose that is?

The TSA is the logical conclusion of liberal policies and belief's in a "fair" society. A society that elevates the idea of fairness above safety.

In StockJock-e's example, I promise you that TSA is afraid to talk to the guy with the dreads. Even if he is doing something wrong, he's likely to scream racism at the drop of a hat, because he knows that's his ace in the hole.

The old lady? Hey, no reason to fear a lawsuit from her. What legal grounds is she going to complain on? They targeted me because i'm old and white? Good luck finding a sympathetic jury for that.

It's like you're unaware that their are protected classes of people in our society. Women, people of color, gays, whoever it is that one can point to and say that they have had a history of hate directed against them by "the man" are ipso facto innocent, even when found guilty, because the white man drove them to it.

This is liberal ideology my friend, not conservative.

Isnt SJs girlfriend a asian ?
So why her and not him ?

And the TSA exist since when ?

I don't know about his girlfriend and I have no idea what you're asking in your question. What does his asian girlfriend have to do with anything?