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I posted about this show aired on ABC called What Would You Do? in the Cocktail lounge thread TV Series Recommendations. It basically sets up scenarios, using actors, that SHOULD call for stranger intervention to prevent a wrongdoing. For example, in the episode below (and the only one currently available on Hulu) a young gal is celebrating her 21st birthday, and taking full advantage of the liquor bar. A gentleman notices her celebration and cozies up next to her to make sure she avails the bar of all it's samplings. He then proceeds to assist the now overly inebriated young woman out of the establishment. She is barely able to walk, and voices her concern that she really doesn't know this guy. No worries, he assures her he'll take good care of her.

Do you, or other's as bystanders, come to her aid? That's what the show is about. The girl and guy are actors. Portraying their respective characters to see what the reaction of those around them would be.

That scenario, while interesting, is not why I am posting this. What I am posting this for are the 2nd and 4th segments. Those scenarios evaluate what people would do in scenarios involving black people.

In the first scenario, would people prevent a white person stealing a bike? Would they then stop a black person from stealing a bike? Lastly, would they stop a petite blind girl from stealing a bike? I'll give you one guess whom was prevented most often. I'll even give you one guess whom was suspected as "stealing" the bike more often.

In the second scenario, 3 black girls mosey into a high-end clothing store to do some shopping. The store attendant informs the 3 girls that perhaps that is not the best place for them to be shopping at. Following them around, vocally stating that they're being watched and that items typically tend to disappear off the shelves when people like "them" are in the store. Would you, or others as bystanders, confront the store attendant?

What's the point? It is easy to fall into the mindset of stereotyping a group of people, and then to further that into profiling. Is it wrong to suspect someone of acting suspiciously and they happen to be black, or middle east ethnicity? No. Is it wrong to suspect someone because they are of a certain ethnicity BEFORE they do something wrong? A resounding YES!

It is easy, particularly with the kind of attention the media gives, to stereotype Muslims, and funnel them all into the "extreme Muslim" label. There are no official numbers as to how many Muslims are living in the US, but it is estimated to be somewhere between 4-8 million. Now, how many individual Muslims have carried out, or attempted to carry out terroristic acts? Here's a list I found. It may or may not be complete and/or accurate, and the site IS anti-Islam. In addition to the itemized listing of the attacks, at bottom it states the total as being "3,314 killed by Muslims in America in 67 terror attacks", in a span over nearly 40 years, averaging to just under 83 people per year. Using those numbers I assume that there were AT LEAST 67 Muslim terrorists involved in the attacks. We all now that there were 19 men who commandeered the planes during 9/11, so that makes it at least 85 people. 85 or so people out of 4-8 million total Muslims? That's a pretty inconsequential percentage, wouldn't you say?

I'm not trying to diminish the havoc they created when those attacks were carried out. Nor am I trying to diminish the tragedy of whose innocent lives were lost in those tragedies. I do, however, ask people to keep things in perspective.

I submit this: All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 94% that Aren’t

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CNN recently published an article entitled Study: Threat of Muslim-American terrorism in U.S. exaggerated; according to a study released by Duke University and the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, “the terrorist threat posed by radicalized Muslim-Americans has been exaggerated.”

Yet, Americans continue to live in mortal fear of radical Islam, a fear propagated and inflamed by right wing Islamophobes. If one follows the cable news networks, it seems as if all terrorists are Muslims. It has even become axiomatic in some circles to chant: “Not all Muslims are terrorists, but nearly all terrorists are Muslims.” Muslims and their “leftist dhimmi allies” respond feebly, mentioning Waco as the one counter example, unwittingly affirming the belief that “nearly all terrorists are Muslims.”

I also offer these statistics.

5.3 million women are abused each year. 1,232 women are killed each year by an intimate partner (far more than the 83 per year killed by Muslim terrorists). How do we profile for people whom are likely to kill their intimate partner?

Drunk Driving Facts & Stats Tips

•One person is killed every half-hour due to drunk driving
•Each year approximately 16,000 are killed in alcohol related crashes
•Alcohol is a factor in almost half of all traffic fatalities
•Every other minute a person is seriously injured in an alcohol related crash

"Each year approximately 16,000 are killed in alcohol related crashes". How do we profile for people who are going to get drunk, get behind the wheel, and kill someone?
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Are deaths easier to take when it is done by someone with the same citizenship, ethnicity, religion, and ideology as the rest of us? Were the deaths caused by Timothy McVeigh's act of terrorism easier to swallow because he was white and he did it in anger of the government?

Here's the video of the ABC show What Would You Do? I was referring to:



It's just over 42 minutes long, but I implore you to watch it.

I have to start getting ready so I can take my mother out to dinner, and then an event, so I cut this much shorter than I wanted to.

When I get back, I'll hopefully remember where I wanted to continue, and not get side railed too much by some responses, if there are any. See you guys later.
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5.3 million women are abused each year. 1,232 women are killed each year by an intimate partner (far more than the 83 per year killed by Muslim terrorists). How do we profile for people whom are likely to kill their intimate partner?
mmm jaz - With all due respect to you, Where in the constitution does it grant Fed and State Governments to intervene into your person life. But let me just say this. The federal government is not responsible if you get on the road and someone is killed by a drunk driver. The Federal Govt. is not responsible because your life partner beats the crap out of you. Thats your damn fault, perhaps you should seen the writting on walls before you walked down the aisle. Liberals love to blame Government, I have yet to find one lefty with any accountability. & No Bernie Sanders does not count
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Originally Posted by mmm...Jaz View Post
What's the point? It is easy to fall into the mindset of stereotyping a group of people, and then to further that into profiling. Is it wrong to suspect someone of acting suspiciously and they happen to be black, or middle east ethnicity? No. Is it wrong to suspect someone because they are of a certain ethnicity BEFORE they do something wrong? A resounding YES!

It is easy, particularly with the kind of attention the media gives, to stereotype Muslims, and funnel them all into the "extreme Muslim" label. There are no official numbers as to how many Muslims are living in the US, but it is estimated to be somewhere between 4-8 million. Now, how many individual Muslims have carried out, or attempted to carry out terroristic acts? Here's a list I found. It may or may not be complete and/or accurate, and the site IS anti-Islam. In addition to the itemized listing of the attacks, at bottom it states the total as being "3,314 killed by Muslims in America in 67 terror attacks", in a span over nearly 40 years, averaging to just under 83 people per year. Using those numbers I assume that there were AT LEAST 67 Muslim terrorists involved in the attacks. We all now that there were 19 men who commandeered the planes during 9/11, so that makes it at least 85 people. 85 or so people out of 4-8 million total Muslims? That's a pretty inconsequential percentage, wouldn't you say?

I'm not trying to diminish the havoc they created when those attacks were carried out. Nor am I trying to diminish the tragedy of whose innocent lives were lost in those tragedies. I do, however, ask people to keep things in perspective.

I submit this: All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 94% that Aren’t



I also offer these statistics.

5.3 million women are abused each year. 1,232 women are killed each year by an intimate partner (far more than the 83 per year killed by Muslim terrorists). How do we profile for people whom are likely to kill their intimate partner?

Drunk Driving Facts & Stats Tips

•One person is killed every half-hour due to drunk driving
•Each year approximately 16,000 are killed in alcohol related crashes
•Alcohol is a factor in almost half of all traffic fatalities
•Every other minute a person is seriously injured in an alcohol related crash

"Each year approximately 16,000 are killed in alcohol related crashes". How do we profile for people who are going to get drunk, get behind the wheel, and kill someone?
first of all i respect your opinion. but bringing up OTHER non-related terrorist facts to basically say..."look at how many people are killed here compared to terrorists" doesn't change a thing about the FACT that the majority of terrorists ARE Muslim...THAT is the point that myself and many others constantly bring up...SURE there are OTHER problems to deal with such as DUI deaths, Abusing spouses, children, etc..but those are completely different topics and in my opinion, I am completely FOR "fixing" those problems AS WELL! From the same religionofpeace website:

Put the Numbers in Perspective
*More people are killed by Islamists each year than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined
*Islamic terrorists murder more people every day than the Ku Klux Klan has in the last 50 years
*19 Muslim hijackers killed more innocents in two hours on September 11th than the number of American criminals executed in the last 65 years

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks


Your posting also misses another point being that MUSLIM terrorist attacks WORLDWIDE are staggering:

again from the same religionofpeace website:
Islamic terror attacks in 2009 ALONE
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2009.htm

or better yet:

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Monthly Jihad Report
April, 2010 Jihad Attacks: 149
Countries: 18
Religions: 5
Dead Bodies: 701
Critically Injured: 1793
I'm sure others will agree with me on this, WE (Americans) may have a "few" Islamic related attacks ON our soil, and thankfully so...but worldwide the Islamic terror attacks are more than abundant....what I am trying to do is PREVENT the increase of these attacks ON our soil! WE don't want what Europe has do we...bus bombings, train bombings, stoning, hangings, abusing women/children, you name it, on a monthly, weekly, daily basis???

do you catch my drift?





"The spread of Islam was military. There is a tendency to
apologize for this and we should not. It is one of the
injunctions of the Qur'an that you must fight to spread Islam."
Dr. Ali Issa Othman, Islamic Scholar


"thereligionofpeace" my ass!
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5.3 million women are abused each year. 1,232 women are killed each year by an intimate partner (far more than the 83 per year killed by Muslim terrorists). How do we profile for people whom are likely to kill their intimate partner?
How many of those killed and abused are honor killings/abuses?
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Originally Posted by mmm...Jaz View Post
I posted about this show aired on ABC called What Would You Do?...
thank you for posting this. I was going to reply with a comment similar to yours in regards to profiling based on crime statistics to show how ridiculous the assertion is that we need to 'profile' Muslims, as if that will solve any problem other than the feeling of being 'safe'.
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Originally Posted by vlandsponger View Post
first of all i respect your opinion. but bringing up OTHER non-related terrorist facts to basically say..."look at how many people are killed here compared to terrorists" doesn't change a thing about the FACT that the majority of terrorists ARE Muslim...THAT is the point that myself and many others constantly bring up...SURE there are OTHER problems to deal with such as DUI deaths, Abusing spouses, children, etc..but those are completely different topics and in my opinion, I am completely FOR "fixing" those problems AS WELL! From the same religionofpeace website:

Put the Numbers in Perspective
*More people are killed by Islamists each year than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined
*Islamic terrorists murder more people every day than the Ku Klux Klan has in the last 50 years
*19 Muslim hijackers killed more innocents in two hours on September 11th than the number of American criminals executed in the last 65 years

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks


Your posting also misses another point being that MUSLIM terrorist attacks WORLDWIDE are staggering:

again from the same religionofpeace website:
Islamic terror attacks in 2009 ALONE
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2009.htm

or better yet:



I'm sure others will agree with me on this, WE (Americans) may have a "few" Islamic related attacks ON our soil, and thankfully so...but worldwide the Islamic terror attacks are more than abundant....what I am trying to do is PREVENT the increase of these attacks ON our soil! WE don't want what Europe has do we...bus bombings, train bombings, stoning, hangings, abusing women/children, you name it, on a monthly, weekly, daily basis???

do you catch my drift?





"The spread of Islam was military. There is a tendency to
apologize for this and we should not. It is one of the
injunctions of the Qur'an that you must fight to spread Islam."
Dr. Ali Issa Othman, Islamic Scholar


"thereligionofpeace" my ass!
Maybe you forgot about this thing called the Bosnian war, a genocide of 40,000 Muslims by Serb forces....

And if you haven't figured it out yet, the more occupation there is of their lands, the more 'terrorists' will prop up.
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How many of those killed and abused are honor killings/abuses?
Lol, please, there are very few, if any honor killings in the US.

But you missed the point anyway...
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Originally Posted by Bassix View Post
Maybe you forgot about this thing called the Bosnian war, a genocide of 40,000 Muslims by Serb forces....

And if you haven't figured it out yet, the more occupation there is of their lands, the more 'terrorists' will prop up.
Really, it's "their" land???
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Originally Posted by Bassix View Post
Maybe you forgot about this thing called the Bosnian war, a genocide of 40,000 Muslims by Serb forces....

And if you haven't figured it out yet, the more occupation there is of their lands, the more 'terrorists' will prop up.
again...you use the "look at this statistic even though it has nothing to do with TERRORISM"



your bottom comment is absurd...Israel is the prime example for this...after all, MUCH of this is about Israel...anyways, you can give Muslims all they want in terms of land but that won't settle anything for them..it simply emboldens them to pursue MORE! they USE the "we want our land" as a tactic to take away "power" from their enemy..in this case, Israel...

other examples about Muslims tactics to control everything can unfortunately be seen in America where Muslims are threatening violence against anyone who "offends" them...attacking freedom of speech...in America...MUSLIMS...get it



have you NOT read the Quran and its numerous passages that DEMAND death upon infidels?




Killing of Non-Muslims is Legitimate

Muslim "brothers" cannot/will not condemn attacks on INNOCENT people...because the Muslims do not view infidels as innocent...




side note: I'll be waiting for USMC, Head22, Maybenow to respond with "but christianity says to kill" and they'll quote a few verses from the OLD testament..they've already done it either earlier in this thread or another thread...their ignorance is at full bloom right now...

heres the difference in plain english for those 3:

*CHRISTIANITY DOES NOT "FOLLOW" THE OLD TESTAMENT!

*ISLAM DOES FOLLOW THE QURAN IN ITS ENTIRETY!
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? did someone misspell somewhere? im not catching on to this comment mjoke...
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Originally Posted by Bassix View Post
Maybe you forgot about this thing called the Bosnian war, a genocide of 40,000 Muslims by Serb forces....

And if you haven't figured it out yet, the more occupation there is of their lands, the more 'terrorists' will prop up.
I promise you, those who want to profile against Muslims will also profile against Serbian military forces in the United States.

Feel better now?
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Originally Posted by mmm...Jaz View Post
I posted about this show aired on ABC called What Would You Do? Those scenarios evaluate what people would do in scenarios involving black people.

In the first scenario, would people prevent a white person stealing a bike? Would they then stop a black person from stealing a bike? Lastly, would they stop a petite blind girl from stealing a bike? I'll give you one guess whom was prevented most often. I'll even give you one guess whom was suspected as "stealing" the bike more often.

In the second scenario, 3 black girls mosey into a high-end clothing store to do some shopping. The store attendant informs the 3 girls that perhaps that is not the best place for them to be shopping at. Following them around, vocally stating that they're being watched and that items typically tend to disappear off the shelves when people like "them" are in the store. Would you, or others as bystanders, confront the store attendant?

What's the point? It is easy to fall into the mindset of stereotyping a group of people, and then to further that into profiling. Is it wrong to suspect someone of acting suspiciously and they happen to be black, or middle east ethnicity? No. Is it wrong to suspect someone because they are of a certain ethnicity BEFORE they do something wrong? A resounding YES!


I also offer these statistics.

5.3 million women are abused each year. 1,232 women are killed each year by an intimate partner (far more than the 83 per year killed by Muslim terrorists). How do we profile for people whom are likely to kill their intimate partner?

Drunk Driving Facts & Stats Tips

•One person is killed every half-hour due to drunk driving
•Each year approximately 16,000 are killed in alcohol related crashes
•Alcohol is a factor in almost half of all traffic fatalities
•Every other minute a person is seriously injured in an alcohol related crash

"Each year approximately 16,000 are killed in alcohol related crashes". How do we profile for people who are going to get drunk, get behind the wheel, and kill someone?
Ever wonder is maybe, just maybe blacks steal more bikes more often than small blind white girls? If you saw two heads above a wall and were offered $200 to guess which one had their underwear showing, which would you pick?

And can you blame retailers? I did not watch the video but can you blame them for watching the type of people who normally steal from them? If you owned a store in the boonies...and you knew most shoplifters in your area were white drunk homeless men, would you not watch them closer than a well dressed woman or regular man?

Do you trade pink sheet stocks the same as Nasdaq stocks? You do know some pink sheet stocks are legit right?. I'd hate to hurt their feelings. It's not their fault the other 90% are scams.


But yes, it IS wrong to suspect or say someone is guilty just because of their race.



And cops do profile drunks and women beaters. Any call they get for domestic violence the man goes to jail, even if he is the one with scratches Etc. And the cops sit outside bars and then follow people, watching for a reason to pull them over so they can test them.
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Ever wonder is maybe, just maybe blacks steal more bikes more often than small blind white girls? If you saw two heads above a wall and were offered $200 to guess which one had their underwear showing, which would you pick?

And can you blame retailers? I did not watch the video but can you blame them for watching the type of people who normally steal from them? If you owned a store in the boonies...and you knew most shoplifters in your area were white drunk homeless men, would you not watch them closer than a well dressed woman or regular man?

Do you trade pink sheet stocks the same as Nasdaq stocks? You do know some pink sheet stocks are legit right?. I'd hate to hurt their feelings. It's not their fault the other 90% are scams.


But yes, it IS wrong to suspect or say someone is guilty just because of their race.



And cops do profile drunks and women beaters. Any call they get for domestic violence the man goes to jail, even if he is the one with scratches Etc. And the cops sit outside bars and then follow people, watching for a reason to pull them over so they can test them.
Where do you get your reasoning?; it's very scary and incorrect?.
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Originally Posted by vlandsponger View Post
? did someone misspell somewhere? im not catching on to this comment mjoke...
no i removed what i posted sorry for the confusion
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Originally Posted by I we Todd did View Post
Really, it's "their" land???
yes, just like 'merica is your land and 'christian', iraq is muslim occupied, just like afghanistan is.
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Originally Posted by vlandsponger View Post
again...you use the "look at this statistic even though it has nothing to do with TERRORISM"
are you cracked? a genocide = terrorism. race wars = terrorism. beating on homosexuals and the like = terrorism, and so on. do you even know the definition of terrorism?
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your bottom comment is absurd...Israel is the prime example for this...after all, MUCH of this is about Israel...anyways, you can give Muslims all they want in terms of land but that won't settle anything for them..it simply emboldens them to pursue MORE! they USE the "we want our land" as a tactic to take away "power" from their enemy..in this case, Israel...

other examples about Muslims tactics to control everything can unfortunately be seen in America where Muslims are threatening violence against anyone who "offends" them...attacking freedom of speech...in America...MUSLIMS...get it
Actually my comment was meant to imply the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan since that is where we have our largest presence. Either way, the fundamentalists are the ones that want more, just like the fundamentalist christians/catholics here want christianity embedded into the nations laws. If everything is cut clear black and white, then there'd be no problem picking out the 'bad' muslims.

your 2nd paragraph i somewhat agree with because i don't appreciate them making threats to people like trey and matt of southpark, and I would hope the authorities would track down the groups making the threats, however profiling will not stop that. If you profile muslims, you'll have to stop all black people, all asian people, anyone that looks Mediterranean, and middle easterners. good luck with that.

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have you NOT read the Quran and its numerous passages that DEMAND death upon infidels?




Killing of Non-Muslims is Legitimate

Muslim "brothers" cannot/will not condemn attacks on INNOCENT people...because the Muslims do not view infidels as innocent...




side note: I'll be waiting for USMC, Head22, Maybenow to respond with "but christianity says to kill" and they'll quote a few verses from the OLD testament..they've already done it either earlier in this thread or another thread...their ignorance is at full bloom right now...

heres the difference in plain english for those 3:

*CHRISTIANITY DOES NOT "FOLLOW" THE OLD TESTAMENT!

*ISLAM DOES FOLLOW THE QURAN IN ITS ENTIRETY!


and yet, you still haven't been able to answer how you can profile muslims since they span so many different types of ethnicities
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Originally Posted by Baggi View Post
I promise you, those who want to profile against Muslims will also profile against Serbian military forces in the United States.

Feel better now?
Here, I'll play the game you guys are playing. Anyone from that region must be bad because I'm going to make a blanket statement and say they're all terrorists because they were involved in the genocide, so they should be profiled regardless because they're all bad people.

Let's try another shall we?
The chinese are communists. Let us profile them all and assume they are all communist and want to destroy our way of life by continued cyber attacks against our businesses and clandestine agencies.

oh wait, there's a problem. human character/emotion/thought doesn't come in black and white only...
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Originally Posted by Bassix View Post
are you cracked? a genocide = terrorism. race wars = terrorism. beating on homosexuals and the like = terrorism, and so on. do you even know the definition of terrorism?
–noun
1.
the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
2.
the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3.
a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

or this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrori...ited_States.29

so no i dont know what terrorism means

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Originally Posted by Bassix View Post
Actually my comment was meant to imply the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan since that is where we have our largest presence. Either way, the fundamentalists are the ones that want more, just like the fundamentalist christians/catholics here want christianity embedded into the nations laws. If everything is cut clear black and white, then there'd be no problem picking out the 'bad' muslims.
after u wrote:

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yes, just like 'merica is your land and 'christian', iraq is muslim occupied, just like afghanistan is.
I then understood your argument...Americas "occupation" of Iraq is causing terrorist to pop up...

I don't agree with that...they will continue to pop up because no matter what happens, their hate for America/the west/christianity/etc...will never go away

as for the "fundamentalists"...this country was founded by christians thus we are historically a "christian nation"...Islam is creeping over and trying to TAKE OVER...I don't have a problem with other religions coinciding with our "base" religion so to speak...Buddhists, no problem....Hawaiian Gods, no problem...ISLAM TAKING OVER, BIG PROBLEM!

and there ARE ways to "profile" people without combing through the entire population...the NYC Bomber WAS on a terror watch list..until Obama took him off...a very stupid move on his part...

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Originally Posted by Bassix View Post
your 2nd paragraph i somewhat agree with because i don't appreciate them making threats to people like trey and matt of southpark, and I would hope the authorities would track down the groups making the threats, however profiling will not stop that. If you profile muslims, you'll have to stop all black people, all asian people, anyone that looks Mediterranean, and middle easterners. good luck with that.
no you won't. I understand that looks aren't THAT important...they can help..but they're not the defining factor nor are they even close to that...The Blonde Jihad Jane comes to mind...but once again, the TYPICAL "terrorist" LOOKS like a middle eastern middle aged man...if you can't acknowledge that then you have no business being in any type of DHS position

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i'm more inclined to think that you just don't like muslims and don't want any of them in the country. fortunately, i won't let people like you get away with that.
I don't like when Muslims attack. Just as Baggi said:
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I promise you, those who want to profile against Muslims will also profile against Serbian military forces in the United States.
if there is a "group" that is known to use violence..whether its the Aryan Brother hood, skin heads, black panthers, or MUSLIM TERRORISTS....WE should WATCH out for these people...keep a close eye on them...so we can protect our FAMILIES here on our own soil!!!!
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