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post #1 of 15
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OK, I was using this Roth IRA calculator that I found online ( http://www.planningtips.com/cgi-bin/roth.pl ) to try and find out what I would have at retirement age and I came up with a HUGE number (over $307,000,000) which makes me think I'm doing it wrong, lol!

So maybe someone could help me:

I'm currently 23 y/o... if I deposit $1040/year into an IRA that has an APR/APY of 15%...

then when I reach $25k it goes up to 25%...

and again at $75k it goes up to 50%, how much would I have at age 60?

(these are the actual rates at my credit union).
post #2 of 15
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Originally Posted by mindonhiatus View Post
OK, I was using this Roth IRA calculator that I found online ( http://www.planningtips.com/cgi-bin/roth.pl ) to try and find out what I would have at retirement age and I came up with a HUGE number (over $307,000,000) which makes me think I'm doing it wrong, lol!

So maybe someone could help me:

I'm currently 23 y/o... if I deposit $1040/year into an IRA that has an APR/APY of 15%...

then when I reach $25k it goes up to 25%...

and again at $75k it goes up to 50%, how much would I have at age 60?

(these are the actual rates at my credit union).
Are sure that's not just an example? There's no financial institution on the planet that should give you numbers like that under the implication that such a return is guaranteed or even plausible, something is amiss...

I'm just guessing, but it's not bad math, it's outlandish return rates. You got a link or anything?
post #3 of 15
Thread Starter 
https://www.holyokecu.com/rates.php

the fifth blue table (starting from the top): "IRA Money Market Account"
post #4 of 15
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Originally Posted by mindonhiatus View Post
https://www.holyokecu.com/rates.php

the fifth blue table (starting from the top): "IRA Money Market Account"
Exactly, those are Money Market accounts and the returns are:

0.15%
0.25%
0.50%


Emphasis on the decimal, point 5% or half a percent is not the same as 50% or fifty percent. Sorry to crash your party, tho...

Also, an IRA Money Market Account is very different from a Roth IRA; I'd read a bit more about those.
post #5 of 15
It says .50% not 50%. That's where your error is. But if those were the rates I would be all over that haha.
post #6 of 15
Thread Starter 
ROFL! I'm retarded... I knew that seemed like a lot!

So is a money market not a standard roth ira?

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Originally Posted by 22rowdy View Post
Exactly, those are Money Market accounts and the returns are:

0.15%
0.25%
0.50%


Emphasis on the decimal, point 5% or half a percent is not the same as 50% or fifty percent. Sorry to crash your party, tho...
post #7 of 15
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ROFL! I'm retarded... I knew that seemed like a lot!

So is a money market not a standard roth ira?
You can hold money market instruments in a Roth IRA, but they are different animals. Google can help you much better than I can:

http://www.google.com/search?q=roth+...ient=firefox-a

Results 1 - 10 of about 407,000 for roth ira vs money market account. (0.31 seconds)

It wouldn't hurt to learn the difference between a traditional and Roth IRA, too.
post #8 of 15
No reason for you to use a roth mutual fund at 23. Look into mutual funds or non leveraged ETFs under a Roth account.
post #9 of 15
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No reason for you to use a roth mutual fund at 23. Look into mutual funds or non leveraged ETFs under a Roth account.
Thanks for all your help guys! I'm off to do a bit more research.

-Ben
post #10 of 15
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No reason for you to use a roth mutual fund at 23. Look into mutual funds or non leveraged ETFs under a Roth account.
Meant to say no reason to use a money market fund... Look into mutual funds.
post #11 of 15
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Meant to say no reason to use a money market fund... Look into mutual funds.
I read it as money market the first time actually, haha!

I've heard that ETFs tend to deteriorate, is that why you are suggesting a mutual fund - for a slow stable growth? I'm assuming unless you really know what you're doing it's probably not a good idea to be too agressive with your investments in your IRA...
post #12 of 15
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Originally Posted by mindonhiatus View Post
I read it as money market the first time actually, haha!

I've heard that ETFs tend to deteriorate, is that why you are suggesting a mutual fund - for a slow stable growth? I'm assuming unless you really know what you're doing it's probably not a good idea to be too agressive with your investments in your IRA...
ETFs are basically the same as mutual funds. Just stay away from the leveraged ones those are the ones that decay over time.

One main difference between an ETF and a mutual fund is when you put money in an ETF you are charged a commission each time. Most mutual funds will not charge you. So if you are planning to add to it over time a mutual fund will be a better choice.

With a mutual fund you can select from several different funds. There are some that invest in money market, bonds, stocks, or even a combination depending on how much risk you want.
post #13 of 15
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ETFs are basically the same as mutual funds. Just stay away from the leveraged ones those are the ones that decay over time.

One main difference between an ETF and a mutual fund is when you put money in an ETF you are charged a commission each time. Most mutual funds will not charge you. So if you are planning to add to it over time a mutual fund will be a better choice.

With a mutual fund you can select from several different funds. There are some that invest in money market, bonds, stocks, or even a combination depending on how much risk you want.
Now, is that ETF commission the same type of commission that etrade charges on stock trades, or is it a seperate one charged by the ETF itself? (if that makes ANY sense whatsoever... I don't know anything about either of the two, lol!)

I've also noticed with MFs that average annual returns seem to be larger the first year and then drop sharply (example: Year 1: 40% | Year 2: 7.05%). Is there any reason why one wouldn't just buy the MF and drop it after 1 year for another?
post #14 of 15
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Now, is that ETF commission the same type of commission that etrade charges on stock trades, or is it a seperate one charged by the ETF itself? (if that makes ANY sense whatsoever... I don't know anything about either of the two, lol!)
Yea the commission is exactly the same as when you buy a stock. There is also the expense ratio. But that fee is taken out of the money invested in the fund exactly the same as mutual fund expense ratios. Nothing extra you need to pay it's automatic.


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I've also noticed with MFs that average annual returns seem to be larger the first year and then drop sharply (example: Year 1: 40% | Year 2: 7.05%). Is there any reason why one wouldn't just buy the MF and drop it after 1 year for another?
That is probably just a coincidence. Some new mutual funds may have a way to "beat the market" which only work under present conditions. When those conditions change the next year so do their profits. Picking a mutual fund is really tough because their are so many out there. Try narrowing them down by finding only no load fund (no fee to buy or sell) with low expense ratios.
post #15 of 15
Most online calculators for the future value of an annuity are very basic and don't allow you to enter accurate data... such as monthly interest.

Use the Future Value (FV) function in excel.

If we want to calculate how much $100 a month earning 10% annual interest, we want to figure out the monthly interest rate, so in excel it works like this:

1) go to functions and select the tab for financial and double click "FV"

Rate: (0.10/12) this breaks down an annual interest rate into a monthly compounding one since we are dividing by twelve months

NPER: 10*12=120 monthly payments for ten years

PMT: the equation requires a negative number so enter -100 for one-hundred dollar pmts per month.

PV: this is the present value. I.E. if you want to compound existing money in your account. If your account has zero and you'll only be contributing the 100 per month, leave this blank and you should come up with:

$20,484.50

Now lets say you had ten-thousand dollars in your account that would also be earning 10% annual interest compounded monthly. For the PV in the formula enter -10000

you should come up with the following:

$47554.91

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Using excel allows you to be more flexible with your terms i.e. quarterly interest (0.10/4) etc etc
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