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post #41 of 71
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Originally Posted by enickma View Post


"All you stupid liberals stay out of our catharsis thread while we bitch and complain... of course, don't expect us to stay out of your victory thread"...lol

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Well, hell yeah!
post #42 of 71
ok i want to know....

WHY they couldnt include EVERYONE?? Do they not have a tally on the population or what?

WHY is the uninsured still 30m+ AFTER the bill.

THIS does not count the influx of people being born,.. the bill falls SHORT...
post #43 of 71
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Originally Posted by ceasar73 View Post
Speaking as a liberal (BIG TIME liberal) I am glad that Republican went childish on this! I want the Democrats to own this...because I think albeit its not Universal Healthcare, its a good piece of legislation, and a step in the right direction. Its is written for the American people and not for company's. Small businesses will be able to afford to offer healthcare to their employees, 30 million people will be insured instead of just showing up to the emergency rooms. It will lower the deficit by cut the expensive subsidies created by Medicare Advantage, tax the ridiculously high insurace plans and capital gains on high income individuals (which still won't be as high as they were in the 90's). IT also lowers the national debt. I really don't understand how people could be against something that is morally, and fiscally right??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ik4f1dRbP8

Maybe that explains why...
You tard. This is no way good legislation. Anytime the government involves itself with business disasters loom. Social Security = BANKRUPT! Medicare = BANKRUPT! Medicaid = BANKRUPT! Fannie Mae = BANKRUPT! Freddie Mac = BANKRUPT! Soon-to-be Universal Health Care = BANKRUPT! We are going into this Bankrupt! We've just expanded the unConstitutional IRS new powers! I can't believe you bleeding heart liberals! Health care is expensive because government has had their dirty hands in it since the 60s or 70s. Free market works the best now and forever!
post #44 of 71
Lowers the national debt?! Are you that gullible? When has the government ever done that by creating bigger government?!

Ceasar - You are so wrong! How is this morally or fiscally right? Forcing people to have health coverage is 1000% unConstitutional. People like you don't understand that health care is expensive because of the GOVERNMENT!
post #45 of 71
If we can spend shit loads of money on unnecessary wars...then we can spend fraction of that amount insuring everyone in this country. That's the way I see it.
post #46 of 71
THE GOVERNMENT IS THE PROBLEM AND NOT THE SOLUTION! YOU ARE SO BRAINWASHED AS TO NOT SEE THIS. THEY HAVE THE POWER WHEN THEY CAN COME OUT WITH FIGURES, STATS AND SUPPORT IT WITH MEDIA AND YOU BELIEVE IT BECAUSE IT CAME FROM THE GOVERNMENT. WHY?! WHY DON'T YOU SEE?! INFLATION, TAXES, FEES, 9/11 FEES, IRS, PROPERTY TAX, INCOME TAX, SALES TAX, INSURANCE, REGISTRATION, TAX STAMPS, TIRE FEES, INCOME TAX AND TAX TAX TAX! YOU MAY AS WELL SERVE THE GOVERNMENT EACH YEAR FOR AT LEAST HALF OF THE YEAR. WHY OH WHY DO BLEEDING HEART LIBERALS WANT THAT?!
post #47 of 71
I don't support the wars either. I don't support big government anywhere! That's where most republicans have it wrong! Little government is truly best government. They shouldn't be telling us anything to do! Freedom is living your own life and not being bothered and not being forced to have health coverage. How completely insane is that?!
post #48 of 71
Don't you see how this advances the government's power by leaps and bounds?! Don't you see the direction in which they are going?! How can you not see?! We will all see one day and it will be a sad sight to those who had full faith in their government. I expected this to pass because those hell children wouldn't let up on this even though the people do not want this. I hope the states grow balls and tell the federal government to go to hell and that they have every right to reject the health care bill and they do and each of us as citizens have the right to reject it also.
post #49 of 71
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Originally Posted by BX_MONEYMAKR View Post
If we can spend shit loads of money on unnecessary wars...then we can spend fraction of that amount insuring everyone in this country. That's the way I see it.
I agree.

This isn't about money.

It's about freedom vs fairness.

Choose which one you prefer.
post #50 of 71
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Originally Posted by beardeus View Post
I don't support the wars either. I don't support big government anywhere! That's where most republicans have it wrong! Little government is truly best government. They shouldn't be telling us anything to do! Freedom is living your own life and not being bothered and not being forced to have health coverage. How completely insane is that?!
Uh oh. I think he is going to leave the conversation now.

I mean, if you didn't support the wars either, then his false dichotomy fallacy falls apart.

Now what will he say? (Hears crickets)
post #51 of 71
I'm not sure what you are saying but I do know I love freedom. I've never supported those unConstitutional wars. That is where most Republicans have it wrong and they don't understand that Bush tripled the size of the federal government. I hate Bush, Obama, Clinton, Bush Senior and most of them. People need to understand the golden rule, he who has the gold makes the rules. Presidents are nearly puppets while most politicians don't have a clue and the majority rest are paid for and the less than half percent of true patriots. More importantly, he who has the printing press makes the rules as long as the printing press is hot with money people will accept. Once the people no longer accept the printers money gold reigns supreme or food and water followed by war. This sums up every civilization in history. History lessons for you uneducated.
post #52 of 71
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Originally Posted by beardeus View Post
I don't support the wars either. I don't support big government anywhere! That's where most republicans have it wrong! Little government is truly best government. They shouldn't be telling us anything to do! Freedom is living your own life and not being bothered and not being forced to have health coverage. How completely insane is that?!
Can you link me to any of your posts where you went nuts about the wars and our spending spree during Bush-Dick era.....I just want to see you are as balanced as fox news.
post #53 of 71
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Originally Posted by beardeus View Post
I'm not sure what you are saying but I do know I love freedom. I've never supported those unConstitutional wars. That is where most Republicans have it wrong and they don't understand that Bush tripled the size of the federal government. I hate Bush, Obama, Clinton, Bush Senior and most of them. People need to understand the golden rule, he who has the gold makes the rules. Presidents are nearly puppets while most politicians don't have a clue and the majority rest are paid for and the less than half percent of true patriots. More importantly, he who has the printing press makes the rules as long as the printing press is hot with money people will accept. Once the people no longer accept the printers money gold reigns supreme or food and water followed by war. This sums up every civilization in history. History lessons for you uneducated.
damn....I agree with everything you said in this post!

Are you seriously a republican? you sound like someone who would support Ron Paul.
post #54 of 71
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Originally Posted by Baggi View Post
Uh oh. I think he is going to leave the conversation now.

I mean, if you didn't support the wars either, then his false dichotomy fallacy falls apart.

Now what will he say? (Hears crickets)
If you're so pro war, why didn't you suit-up and head on over- or do you want others to do it or you?
post #55 of 71
I hate Fox news and always have. Trust me. I did not vote for Bush! Never! Believe me, their exists people who hate both and are conservative. I never supported that war in any means or the presidency. I have been talking to family and friends about freedom during the Bush years. Long ago was I converted to limited government and freedom. Freedom from oppressive wars not only towards United States citizens but to citizens abroad. We kill innocent people every year. Why?! Big government. We'll be taxed now more every year. Why?! Big government. IRS has new powers. Why?! Big government. I'll be fined if I don't get health care. Why?! Big government. Does anyone see the pattern. And it all comes from the Federal Reserve printing dollars. If you don't understand the Federal Reserve, think of the biggest POS company you believed in that diluted their stock OS to hell! That is exactly what the Federal Reserve has been doing to our dollar since day one of inception.
post #56 of 71
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Originally Posted by USMC View Post
If you're so pro war, why didn't you suit-up and head on over- or do you want others to do it or you?
That's one thing I never understood about republicans....they are always pro-wars....yet most of them, even their leaders don't want to suit up and go fight the "enemy".
post #57 of 71
Dude, I love Ron Paul. He is an honest politician. He is a real man and a patriot. If the Republicans thought like him and voted like him their would not be ONE ill thing to say about them. This is 100% true.
post #58 of 71
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Originally Posted by beardeus View Post
I hate Fox news and always have. Trust me. I did not vote for Bush! Never! Believe me, their exists people who hate both and are conservative. I never supported that war in any means or the presidency. I have been talking to family and friends about freedom during the Bush years. Long ago was I converted to limited government and freedom. Freedom from oppressive wars not only towards United States citizens but to citizens abroad. We kill innocent people every year. Why?! Big government. We'll be taxed now more every year. Why?! Big government. IRS has new powers. Why?! Big government. I'll be fined if I don't get health care. Why?! Big government. Does anyone see the pattern. And it all comes from the Federal Reserve printing dollars. If you don't understand the Federal Reserve, think of the biggest POS company you believed in that diluted their stock OS to hell! That is exactly what the Federal Reserve has been doing to our dollar since day one of inception.
Bro.....I don't want to sound rude...but this country is over....Bush Junior sealed the fate of this nation when he went into Iraq.....I am a democrat who wanted ROn Paul to win because I share a lot of his ideas.....the whole world has changed since 9-11....sad but true.....
post #59 of 71
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Originally Posted by BX_MONEYMAKR View Post
Bro.....I don't want to sound rude...but this country is over....Bush Junior sealed the fate of this nation when he went into Iraq.....I am a democrat who wanted ROn Paul to win because I share a lot of his ideas.....the whole world has changed since 9-11....sad but true.....
Not rude at all. I already know this. That's why I have the essentials. Chaos will come though. Ask the Argentines because they know all about this. Government orchestrated collapse. Only difference is that the end is near. That last statement greatly depends on what you believe religiously if you believe in it at all. Prepare now or 20 years ago with no debt, food storage, silver, gold and other commodities. You say I sound crazy but you have no idea. That last part wasn't for you MONEYMAKR. What is the quote? I'd rather die standing than live on my knees. I believe this 100%! All I want is freedom to be left alone but how is this possible when government's actions destroy the economy? Live a humble and thrifty life with a garden and basic survival needs. If you aren't humbled now you will be either way so why wait?
post #60 of 71
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Originally Posted by TNTrader View Post

Not since Reagan and the early days of Gingrich has the Republican party behaved substantially different from the Democrats. They were conservatives first and held the party to those ideals. Unless the Republicans can regain their conservative backbone they will remain merely the lesser of two evils.



Good Luck
That is such a crock. If Reagan was a conservative why did he oversee the largest tax hike in history? Why was his defense spending out of control? Why did he deficit spend and say it didn't matter? Why did he support a civil war in El Salvador? Why did his economic policies put a crunch on the economy leading to more tax hikes by Bush 1?

You guys keep pushing Reagan like he was so great. He was a phoney. Not to mention he had what, 130 or so criminals in his administration. He sucked IMO.
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