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Why is it important for you to understand the subject of the Hegelian Dialectic? Because it is the process by which all change is being accomplished in society today. More importantly, it is the tool that the globalists are utilizing to manipulate the minds of the average American to accept that change, where ordinarily they would refuse it.

The Hegelian Dialectic is, in short, the critical process by which the ruling elite create a problem, anticipating in advance the reaction that the population will have to the given crisis, and thus conditioning the people that a change is needed. When the population is properly conditioned, the desired agenda of the ruling elite is presented as the solution. The solution isn't intended to solve the problem, but rather to serve as the basis for a new problem or exacerbate the existing one.

When the newly inflamed difficulty reaches the boiling point of a crisis, it becomes the foundation upon which arguments may again be made for change. Hence, the process is repeated, over and over, moving society toward whatever end the planners have in mind.

It's also important to understand that as this process is being driven, arguments are created both for and against certain measures of change. All arguments are controlled. The presented solutions — each with varying levels of unadornment — are "debated" publicly by the manipulators or their minions. This is done until a perceived compromise has been reached on the best measure to take in route to solving the crisis. Then, the outcome of the "debate" — which purportedly weighs the concerns of the public with the mandate to do something — is enacted as public policy.

Such is a summary of the Hegelian Dialectic. Though few in American society have ever heard of it, still fewer have not been profoundly impacted by its use in the effective neutralization of opposition in the formation of public policy.? Because it is the process by which all change is being accomplished in society today. More importantly, it is the tool that the globalists are utilizing to manipulate the minds of the average American to accept that change, where ordinarily they would refuse it.

The Hegelian Dialectic is, in short, the critical process by which the ruling elite create a problem, anticipating in advance the reaction that the population will have to the given crisis, and thus conditioning the people that a change is needed. When the population is properly conditioned, the desired agenda of the ruling elite is presented as the solution. The solution isn't intended to solve the problem, but rather to serve as the basis for a new problem or exacerbate the existing one.

When the newly inflamed difficulty reaches the boiling point of a crisis, it becomes the foundation upon which arguments may again be made for change. Hence, the process is repeated, over and over, moving society toward whatever end the planners have in mind.

It's also important to understand that as this process is being driven, arguments are created both for and against certain measures of change. All arguments are controlled. The presented solutions — each with varying levels of unadornment — are "debated" publicly by the manipulators or their minions. This is done until a perceived compromise has been reached on the best measure to take in route to solving the crisis. Then, the outcome of the "debate" — which purportedly weighs the concerns of the public with the mandate to do something — is enacted as public policy.

Such is a summary of the Hegelian Dialectic. Though few in American society have ever heard of it, still fewer have not been profoundly impacted by its use in the effective neutralization of opposition in the formation of public policy.
I'm sure many of our astute members had heard of this before, but I had not. I was debating with one of my right wing friends about how we are controlled by the media and government about issues that keep us divided and she told me about this. Its interesting reading. Here is the link for the above paragraph as well as other sites for those that have an interest.

http://www.amerikanexpose.com/hegel/
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Yup. They keep the people fighting each other when we should be fighting them. Hence, republican vs. democrat. What a farce that is. People actually think they stand for something. And until people do realize how they've been manipulated into thinking the way they are, they'll just be the fat, dumb, and drugged herds that they're made to be.

This is why I don't post in the politics section. I just get pissed off. LOL
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An interesting idea that I am sure has more implications than I would like.
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Otherwise know as false flag ops. Lots of examples throughout history up to current day. They work great for securing power for the elite, normally by instilling fear in the sheeple who willingly hand over their liberties for protection and safety.


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Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Benjamin Franklin
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There are no threats. The world is filled with rainbows and unicorns.

All threats are imagined by our would be rulers and the bleating sheep believe them.

Maybe we should have another forum just for the conspiracies?
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I'm sure many of our astute members had heard of this before, but I had not. I was debating with one of my right wing friends about how we are controlled by the media and government about issues that keep us divided and she told me about this. Its interesting reading. Here is the link for the above paragraph as well as other sites for those that have an interest.

http://www.amerikanexpose.com/hegel/
After reading the link you provided and exploring the other sites, it became clear that although the gist of the overall theme sounds respectable based on overall sentiments, the
authors' real intentions are to promote the New World Order!...and amend the United States Constitution, or completely discard it in favor of UN doctrine!

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The ultimate Third Way agenda is world government. Once we get what's really going on, we can cut the strings and move our lives in original directions outside the confines of the dialectical madness. Focusing on Hegel's and Engel's ultimate agenda, and avoiding getting caught up in their impenetrable theories of social evolution, gives us the opportunity to think and act our way toward freedom, justice, and genuine liberty for all.
There are several passages that promote "Communitarian", Communist ideologies and pits Hegelian Dialectic "non-reasoning" against "rational" thinking or religious theology.

Click on "What is the Hegelian Dialectic?" on the main page, then click on the embedded link "solution" for an example of the Hegelian agenda... (below the picture of Marx and Hegel).
As I read the preamble, most of what was written seemed to support the general consensus of "freedom"...until the discussion of our 1st, 2nd and 4th Amendments.
Freedom of Speech, The Right to bear arms, and the submission to "reasonable search"...etc.
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First Amendment...Whenever individuals or members of a group are harassed, many non-legal measures are appropriate to express disapproval of hateful expressions and
to promote tolerance among the members of the polity.
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There is little sense in gun registration. What we need to significantly enhance public safety is domestic disarmament of the kind that exists in practically all
"democracies". We join with those who read the Second Amendment the way it was written, as a "communitarian" clause, calling for community militias,
not individual gun slingers.
"Gun slingers"...... Just look at those "democricies" like Germany, Great Britain, England, and Australia...crimes have increased exponentially since gun confiscation.
"Democracies" are defined as Majority Rule a.k.a...MOB RULE! That's what we've got NOW with the Republic of Indonesia/Kenyan Usurper Obama/Soetoro.
America was founded as a Sovereign Republic and should remain as a Constitutionally ruled, independent nation of free citizens...not an ochlocracy.
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The American moral and legal tradition has always acknowledged the need to balance individual rights with the need to protect the safety and health of the public.
The Fourth Amendment, for example, guards against unreasonable searches but allows for reasonable ones.
There's a LOT of interesting material in that web site...even more if you open all the embedded links.

Eventually, I'll read ALL of it...if for no other reason than to gain further understanding of the Hegelian Dialectic.

It has some worthwhile points but IMO, it's an overall exercise in futility.
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Canada has a not-perfect gun registry, and crime is at record lows here. Crime will only increase if you take the guns away from a demographic that counts of everyone being afraid of each other and their guns.
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Canada has a not-perfect gun registry, and crime is at record lows here. Crime will only increase if you take the guns away from a demographic that counts of everyone being afraid of each other and their guns.
Maybe that's true in Canucksville, but not here. More gun control laws equals more crime. Give the good guys guns and crime will be reduced.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...-80433802.html

More guns, more crime? Not in 2009.
By: David Freddoso
Online Opinion Editor
12/31/09 3:56 PM EST

Stories of skyrocketing gun sales dominated the headlines earlier this year, with the number of gun-purchase background checks in the first six months of 2009 soaring 25 percent over the same period in 2008. Yet as the NRA points out today, murder in the U.S. has plummetted to a 46-year low (with the largest year-over-year drop since the 1960s) even as gun ownership has risen to an apparent all-time high.

Meanwhile, across the pond, gun crime in Britain has risen 89 percent since the UK banned guns in 1997.

Some may jump too far in there conclusions, but we can at least say this: There is no evidence from the U.S. experience this decade that higher rates of gun ownership lead to more crime, nor from the British experience this decade that fewer guns translate to less crime.

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A crime is a crime...guns just make it easier for the criminal.
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Originally Posted by Gen1GT View Post
A crime is a crime...guns just make it easier for the criminal.
And...when the legally owned guns are taken away from law abiding citizens, only the OUTLAWS will have guns!

Crooks will resort to baseball bats and crowbars if they can't obtain a gun...but would they use a bat or a crowbar
to attack a citizen holding .45 ACP or a shotgun?...I don't think so!!! "A crime is a crime" only if the crook is armed?

Do you have any idea how many "unreported" crimes are PREVENTED every day by lawfully armed citizens?...
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A crime is a crime...guns just make it easier for the criminal.
Criminals will get guns no matter what laws are passed.To legislate gun control will only take away the ability of the law abiding citizen to protect ones self from these law breakers.Therefore,I will never give up my right to own and use firearms.
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This thread remindedme of NLP techniques used on some folks...






-w
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Criminals will get guns no matter what laws are passed.To legislate gun control will only take away the ability of the law abiding citizen to protect ones self from these law breakers.Therefore,I will never give up my right to own and use firearms.
that is complete and utter bullshit, more guns available means more crime period... the way things are in the U.S. you can legally obtain a gun with little to no fuss and use it for a crime and that is the problem... here in Canada you can't just go buy a gun at a store like you can in the U.S. if you want to commit a crime, if you are a criminal in Canada you buy your gun from a U.S. smuggler that got the guns legally at a U.S. gun shop. The theory that less gun control equals less crime is bullshit plain and simple and another symptom of the rampant ignorance in 'idiot America'. I'll give you a comparison to prove all you American gun totting cowards wrong. In Toronto, one of the biggest cities in North America, when you turn on the local news you might hear of a gun crime once every couple of days and they talk about it non-stop on the news because when it happens its a big deal because it does not happen nearly as often in a U.S. city of even a tenth of Toronto's size, whenever I visit the U.S. and I do often, be it a major city or a small community and I turn on the local news, there are about half a dozen shootings on the morning news, then another half dozen or so at the noon news and then by six there is another wave followed by the new gun crimes that the eleven o'clock news reports and they just mention these crime in a matter of fact kind of way because it is the norm anywhere in the U.S.... this whole nonsense of how its a 'right' and 'patriotic' or 'American' to own a gun is absolute stupidity that you have been brainwashed to believe by the corporate gun lobby so someone that owns a gun factory with money at stake in Washington can sell more guns, but such is the 'American way'. You can keep it, I'll that Canadian gun control and exponentially less gun crime per capita over the nonsense you got down there any day, thanks...
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Originally Posted by grandaddy
Criminals will get guns no matter what laws are passed.To legislate gun control will only take away the ability of the law abiding citizen to protect ones self from these law breakers.Therefore,I will never give up my right to own and use firearms.
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that is complete and utter bullshit, more guns available means more crime period... the way things are in the U.S. you can legally obtain a gun with little to no fuss and use it for a crime and that is the problem...
its better if you actually provide some facts...im lazy, so read what this guy says (i just picked a couple paragraphs for here):

http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/493636.html
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States with the largest increases in gun ownership also have the largest drops in violent crimes. Thirty-one states now have such laws—called "shall-issue" laws. These laws allow adults the right to carry concealed handguns if they do not have a criminal record or a history of significant mental illness.

Criminals are deterred by higher penalties. Just as higher arrest and conviction rates deter crime, so does the risk that someone committing a crime will confront someone able to defend him or herself. There is a strong negative relationship between the number of law-abiding citizens with permits and the crime rate—as more people obtain permits there is a greater decline in violent crime rates. For each additional year that a concealed handgun law is in effect the murder rate declines by 3 percent, rape by 2 percent, and robberies by over 2 percent.

The data analyzed in this book is from the USA. Many countries, such as Switzerland, New Zealand, Finland, and Israel have high gun-ownership rates and low crime rates, while other countries have low gun ownership rates and either low or high crime rates.

Some people do use guns in horrible ways, but other people use guns to prevent horrible things from happening to them. The ultimate question that concerns us all is: Will allowing law-abiding citizens to own guns save lives?

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this whole nonsense of how its a 'right' and 'patriotic' or 'American' to own a gun is absolute stupidity that you have been brainwashed to believe by the corporate gun lobby so someone that owns a gun factory with money at stake in Washington can sell more guns,
ACTUALLY.........it is a right FOR Americans...brainwashed huh?

Amendment 2 - Right to Bear Arms
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_2nd.html


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here in Canada you can't just go buy a gun at a store like you can in the U.S. if you want to commit a crime, if you are a criminal in Canada you buy your gun from a U.S. smuggler that got the guns legally at a U.S. gun shop. The theory that less gun control equals less crime is bullshit plain and simple and another symptom of the rampant ignorance in 'idiot America'. I'll give you a comparison to prove all you American gun totting cowards wrong. In Toronto, one of the biggest cities in North America, when you turn on the local news you might hear of a gun crime once every couple of days and they talk about it non-stop on the news because when it happens its a big deal because it does not happen nearly as often in a U.S. city of even a tenth of Toronto's size, whenever I visit the U.S. and I do often, be it a major city or a small community and I turn on the local news, there are about half a dozen shootings on the morning news, then another half dozen or so at the noon news and then by six there is another wave followed by the new gun crimes that the eleven o'clock news reports and they just mention these crime in a matter of fact kind of way because it is the norm anywhere in the U.S.... this whole nonsense of how its a 'right' and 'patriotic' or 'American' to own a gun is absolute stupidity that you have been brainwashed to believe by the corporate gun lobby so someone that owns a gun factory with money at stake in Washington can sell more guns, but such is the 'American way'. You can keep it, I'll that Canadian gun control and exponentially less gun crime per capita over the nonsense you got down there any day, thanks...
are you talking nonsense theone?
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Originally Posted by theone View Post
that is complete and utter bullshit, more guns available means more crime period... the way things are in the U.S. you can legally obtain a gun with little to no fuss and use it for a crime and that is the problem... here in Canada you can't just go buy a gun at a store like you can in the U.S. if you want to commit a crime, if you are a criminal in Canada you buy your gun from a U.S. smuggler that got the guns legally at a U.S. gun shop. The theory that less gun control equals less crime is bullshit plain and simple and another symptom of the rampant ignorance in 'idiot America'. I'll give you a comparison to prove all you American gun totting cowards wrong. In Toronto, one of the biggest cities in North America, when you turn on the local news you might hear of a gun crime once every couple of days and they talk about it non-stop on the news because when it happens its a big deal because it does not happen nearly as often in a U.S. city of even a tenth of Toronto's size, whenever I visit the U.S. and I do often, be it a major city or a small community and I turn on the local news, there are about half a dozen shootings on the morning news, then another half dozen or so at the noon news and then by six there is another wave followed by the new gun crimes that the eleven o'clock news reports and they just mention these crime in a matter of fact kind of way because it is the norm anywhere in the U.S.... this whole nonsense of how its a 'right' and 'patriotic' or 'American' to own a gun is absolute stupidity that you have been brainwashed to believe by the corporate gun lobby so someone that owns a gun factory with money at stake in Washington can sell more guns, but such is the 'American way'. You can keep it, I'll that Canadian gun control and exponentially less gun crime per capita over the nonsense you got down there any day, thanks...
Wrong again! First of all, you can't just run in and buy a gun. You have to undergo an FBI NICS background check. Second, FBI statistics show that increased gun ownership by responsible citizens reduces crime.

Violent Crime Continues Decline (Even While Gun Ownership Increases)
Mon, 12/28/2009 - 00:10. National Politics Education Guns in the News

By Bill Brassard

Preliminary statistics released by the FBI for the first half of 2009 show that violent crime continues a downward trend that began in 2006. The figures show crime falling in all categories--robbery, aggravated assault, motor vehicle thefts, etc.--with murders down a remarkable 10 percent from the previous year.

The FBI statistics undermine a favorite argument of anti-gun groups and some mainstream media that "more guns equal more crime," especially when you consider that the decrease in violent crime from late 2008 through the first half of 2009 occurred at the same time that firearm sales were surging.

The most popular firearms selling at that time were handguns and modern sporting rifles (AR-style rifles)--two types of firearms that anti-gunners never miss an opportunity to demonize. Law-abiding handgun owners have been filling concealed carry classes across the country, and AR-style rifles--long a favorite of target shooters--are growing in popularity among hunters as new calibers are introduced for small and big game.

People across the country continue to exercise their Second Amendment rights. Consider this story from the Boston Globe:

The number of gun permits issued in Massachusetts surged by more than 15 percent over the past two years, reversing nearly a decade of steady declines and marking a pronounced departure for a state known for its antigun sentiment.

The rise in gun permits (and, presumably, purchases) in the Bay State is reflected by National Instant Criminal Background Check statistics showing an increase of 25 million background checks from a total of 75 million to 100 million initiated by Type 01 federally licensed firearms retailers between April 5, 2007, and April 4, 2009 . (Background checks are required under federal law for all individuals purchasing either newly manufactured or used firearms from federally licensed retailers. The checks serve as a gauge of sales but do not reflect the actual number of firearms sold.)

Crime is down. Gun ownership--by law-abiding, responsible citizens who pass a mandatory FBI background check at retail--is up.

Don't let anyone get away with telling you that "more guns equal more crime."

http://www.fbi.gov/headlines/declini...e_rates500.jpg

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Wrong again! First of all, you can't just run in and buy a gun. You have to undergo an FBI NICS background check. Second, FBI statistics show that increased gun ownership by responsible citizens reduces crime.

Violent Crime Continues Decline (Even While Gun Ownership Increases)
Mon, 12/28/2009 - 00:10. National Politics Education Guns in the News

By Bill Brassard

Preliminary statistics released by the FBI for the first half of 2009 show that violent crime continues a downward trend that began in 2006. The figures show crime falling in all categories--robbery, aggravated assault, motor vehicle thefts, etc.--with murders down a remarkable 10 percent from the previous year.

The FBI statistics undermine a favorite argument of anti-gun groups and some mainstream media that "more guns equal more crime," especially when you consider that the decrease in violent crime from late 2008 through the first half of 2009 occurred at the same time that firearm sales were surging.

The most popular firearms selling at that time were handguns and modern sporting rifles (AR-style rifles)--two types of firearms that anti-gunners never miss an opportunity to demonize. Law-abiding handgun owners have been filling concealed carry classes across the country, and AR-style rifles--long a favorite of target shooters--are growing in popularity among hunters as new calibers are introduced for small and big game.

People across the country continue to exercise their Second Amendment rights. Consider this story from the Boston Globe:

The number of gun permits issued in Massachusetts surged by more than 15 percent over the past two years, reversing nearly a decade of steady declines and marking a pronounced departure for a state known for its antigun sentiment.

The rise in gun permits (and, presumably, purchases) in the Bay State is reflected by National Instant Criminal Background Check statistics showing an increase of 25 million background checks from a total of 75 million to 100 million initiated by Type 01 federally licensed firearms retailers between April 5, 2007, and April 4, 2009 . (Background checks are required under federal law for all individuals purchasing either newly manufactured or used firearms from federally licensed retailers. The checks serve as a gauge of sales but do not reflect the actual number of firearms sold.)

Crime is down. Gun ownership--by law-abiding, responsible citizens who pass a mandatory FBI background check at retail--is up.

Don't let anyone get away with telling you that "more guns equal more crime."

http://www.fbi.gov/headlines/declini...e_rates500.jpg

I'm not defending gun control, but the percent drops in crime that you attribute to law abiding citizens that own guns are higher than the actual crimes committed with guns in Canada. When your gun crime rate is so high that we celebrate small percentage decreases that should signify a problem.
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You people and gun control- so brainwashed.

So how many cops were killed or assaulted with handguns in Canada, Australia, Japan and the other countries don't allow no guns or have tough gun control? I can assure you it's not much.
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god some of you people... argh.

Again these comparing society issues with the US... it DOESNT WORK.

33m people compared to 330m in the US.. i think the stats will be HIGHER...

Doesnt mean shit, guns dont kill people, people do.
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Just as higher arrest and conviction rates deter crime, so does the risk that someone committing a crime will confront someone able to defend him or herself.
This is flawed, too. In Canada, we believe in rehabilitation, not punishment. The US has extreme sentencing tendencies, with a massive incarceration rate. Does it work? Hell no...you have more people in prison than any other country on the planet (including countries that have 3 times the population), yet you still have astronomical crime rates. Higher arrest and conviction rates just mean more marginal demographics are converted into true criminals. It's proven that large jail sentences make criminals worse, not better. Where else do you get good advice on how to commit crimes than in jail?

Meanwhile, most of the guns entering Canada have come from the States. So our low rate of firearm related crimes would be even less if the US didn't think owning a gun is more important than universal healthcare and education.
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I'm not defending gun control, but the percent drops in crime that you attribute to law abiding citizens that own guns are higher than the actual crimes committed with guns
in Canada. When your gun crime rate is so high that we celebrate small percentage decreases that should signify a problem.
You're being intentionally misleading. Are we to believe that in ALL of Canada, per year, there are less than 10 murders, 3 rapes, 6 robberies, 3 Aggravated assaults, 2 Burglaries,
5 Larcenies, 18 Motor vehicle thefts and 6 Arsons? Do criminals use guns to commit any crimes in Canada? You bet they do! And they're not always provided by "a U.S. smuggler
that got the guns legally at a U.S. gun shop" like theone stated in his anti-2nd Amendment rant! To start with, if they were bought at a "gun shop", they would have been registered,
the purchaser passed a background check and the number of firearms purchased in one day would have been limited to 3 or LESS. "Smugglers" are criminals from the beginning...
so his argument that "you can legally obtain a gun with little to no fuss and use it for a crime" is LUDICROUS to say the least! Even ONE gun smuggled into Canada is a crime.

The "gun crime rate" in CANADA is NOT the issue...it's the lower OVERALL crime rate in the USA due to increased firearms ownership by law abiding CITIZENS!
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