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post #121 of 181
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Originally Posted by RedStick View Post
And how exactly was it proven that those fossils/rocks were 100M/1B years old?
Because "they" tell you so.

So .... Shut up!
post #122 of 181
If you breed the darkest African (pure black, brown eyes etc.) With the whitest Scandanavian (blue eyes, blond hair etc.). The children may be born anywhere from the blackest black to the whitest white, and all variations inbetween.

Therefore, the it is possible (just possible) that Adam and Eve had racially diverse offspring.
post #123 of 181
Don't forget about the flooding of the Earth. The gene pool was then constricted to Moses's family who eventually split up to the different parts of the Earth. And carbon dating is totally wrong. Bones that have been around for billions of years. Yea right.
post #124 of 181
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Originally Posted by greenarrow View Post
If you breed the darkest African (pure black, brown eyes etc.) With the whitest Scandanavian (blue eyes, blond hair etc.). The children may be born anywhere from the blackest black to the whitest white, and all variations inbetween.

Therefore, the it is possible (just possible) that Adam and Eve had racially diverse offspring.
So you're saying that Adam was black and Eve was white, or vice versa?
post #125 of 181
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Originally Posted by Ubidee View Post
Don't forget about the flooding of the Earth. The gene pool was then constricted to Moses's family who eventually split up to the different parts of the Earth. And carbon dating is totally wrong. Bones that have been around for billions of years. Yea right.
How do you conclude that carbon dating is wrong? I mean, unless your'e prejudiced and think that species should only date like species...I for one wouldn't mind dating a carbon.
post #126 of 181


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post #127 of 181
You have to have a actual known carbon that if proven to be a certain date to use as the guide. We don't have that. Where did we get it from? Carbon dated it?
post #128 of 181
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Originally Posted by Techunter View Post


Carbon-Based Bi-pod



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Lets thank mom and dad for that. I hope they kept reproducing.
post #129 of 181
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Carbon-Based Bi-pod



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i think i would carbone date that one myself....
post #130 of 181
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Originally Posted by Ubidee View Post
You have to have a actual known carbon that if proven to be a certain date to use as the guide. We don't have that. Where did we get it from? Carbon dated it?
http://ask.yahoo.com/20000530.html
post #131 of 181
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Originally Posted by mmm...Jaz View Post
Jaz, I believe carbon dating can be accurate. But it is common knowledge that its accuracy is applicable only to objects which are less than 50,000 years old.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
post #132 of 181
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Originally Posted by RedStick View Post
Jaz, I believe carbon dating can be accurate. But it is common knowledge that its accuracy is applicable only to objects which are less than 50,000 years old.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
And they can only test it on things they know are of a certain age. Egyptian burials is the test that they put their success on. Around 5000 years old.
post #133 of 181
Radioactive carbon is formed in the earths upper atmosphere resulting from incoming cosmic radiation and atmospheric nitrogen 14. It then unites with oxygen to form carbon dioxcide and is absorbed by all plants and animals. at the moment of death plants and animals cease to absorb C-14. It then begins to decay back into nitrogen 14. this has a half-life of 5730 years. five half-lives of c-14 would equal 29,000 years and would leave only 1/32 of the original c-14 content.
Therefore c-14 method becomes increasingly weak after a few thousand years.

The amount of natural carbon may have varied in the past. It is known that the earth once had far more vegatation than today. Organisms living at that time would would be subject to a very low C-14 to C-12 ratio. and their remains would would contain no measurable radio carbon at all... even if they lived ony 6,000 years ago.

The amount of helium-4 in the atmosphere suggests that our atmosphere is less than
15,000 years old.

I am not trying to be rude oor a smart-##s just offereing a different point of view
post #134 of 181
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Originally Posted by greenarrow View Post
The amount of helium-4 in the atmosphere suggests that our atmosphere is less than 15,000 years old.
Helium 4 escapes from the atmosphere at a fairly rapid rate. So to use as a measure of the earths age would be inaccurate.
post #135 of 181
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Originally Posted by rgman27 View Post
Helium 4 escapes from the atmosphere at a fairly rapid rate. So to use as a measure of the earths age would be inaccurate.
My point was that carbon dating isn't accurate either.

There is scientific evidence for creation also.

Coal has been made in the modern lab.

Petrified wood has been made in the lab and has a patent.
post #136 of 181
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Originally Posted by RedStick View Post
I don't think you understood what I was saying. I do NOT believe in macro-evolution. Micro-evolution, on the other hand, is not up for debate but is in fact factual. My example about people forming different skin colors over time based on their global positioning is an example of micro-evolution, not the macro, specie-to-specie type that you and your scientists have zero proof for.
My original point was on the basis that evolution does not happen at all. That is Macro or Micro Evolution. That is something a significant number of people believe. Hence, everyone would look very similar.

There is evidence for "Macro" . Macro is just an extension of Micro. You just cannot be bothered to look for it or accept.
post #137 of 181
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My point was that carbon dating isn't accurate either.
Well it is accurate, if you use it under the certain constaints that have been set out.




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Coal has been made in the modern lab.

Petrified wood has been made in the lab and has a patent.
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and your point is....
post #138 of 181
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Originally Posted by RedStick View Post
Jaz, I believe carbon dating can be accurate. But it is common knowledge that its accuracy is applicable only to objects which are less than 50,000 years old.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
Can't be. The Earth is only 7,000 years old.
post #139 of 181
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Originally Posted by greenarrow View Post
Radioactive carbon is formed in the earths upper atmosphere resulting from incoming cosmic radiation and atmospheric nitrogen 14. It then unites with oxygen to form carbon dioxcide and is absorbed by all plants and animals. at the moment of death plants and animals cease to absorb C-14. It then begins to decay back into nitrogen 14. this has a half-life of 5730 years. five half-lives of c-14 would equal 29,000 years and would leave only 1/32 of the original c-14 content.
Therefore c-14 method becomes increasingly weak after a few thousand years.

The amount of natural carbon may have varied in the past. It is known that the earth once had far more vegatation than today. Organisms living at that time would would be subject to a very low C-14 to C-12 ratio. and their remains would would contain no measurable radio carbon at all... even if they lived ony 6,000 years ago.

The amount of helium-4 in the atmosphere suggests that our atmosphere is less than
15,000 years old.

I am not trying to be rude oor a smart-##s just offereing a different point of view
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Scientists use natural indicators of age as well as sophisticated methods.

Q: How do scientists determine all of the dates that they give for when the dinosaurs lived, when humans came along, etc.?
A: We tell the age of dinosaurs from the rocks they were in or other better known and dated fossils found along with them or near them, particularly mammal teeth and small sea creatures. We can only date a rock precisely if it was made from a volcano — not by gradual buildup like most dinosaurs are found in. Volcanic rock contains some radioactive minerals in tiny amounts. These minerals break down over time at a very steady rate. By measuring how much of these minerals have broken down we can date such a volcanic rock to within 100,000 years of when it was made, even if it was many millions of years ago. Of course, such volcanic rock isn't always around dinosaur fossils. So often we have to guess from these other clues.

source for the above

Also, Carbon dating is obviously useless for dating the ages of dinosaurs, Carbon dating is used for human civilisations - aging Egyption mummies ect ect. To gain the age of anything before humanity and the uprise of Mammals, Radiometric dating is used.

Radiometric (or radioactive) dating
This method is based upon radioactive decay. The spontaneous release of energy and/or particles from the nucleus of an unstable atom (referred to as the parent ) into a stable atom (referred to as the daughter ) is radioactive decay. This rate of decays occurs at a specific and constant rate. The age of a rock can be determined by measuring the amount of the daughter product and adding that to the amount of the remaining parent material.

There are four standards necessary for elements to be useful in radometric dating.

* 1. The numbers of parent atoms and daughter atoms must be measurable.
* 2. The parent element must decay rapidly enough to produce measurable amounts of the daughter element, but measurable amounts of the parent element must also be present in the sample.
* 3. Little or no daughter element must have been present in the sample when it was formed.
* 4. The sample used must have been chemically isolated from outside chemical changes.

These systems meet the standards listed above. Half-life refers to the length of time required for 50% of the parent material to decay into the daughter product.

* Uranium 235 to Lead 207 (half-life = 710,000,000 years)
* Uranium 238 to Lead 206 (half-life = 4,500,000,000 years)
* Thorium 232 to Lead 208 (half-life = 14,000,000,000 years)
* Rubidium 87 to Strontium 87 (half-life = 47,000,000,000 years) - this is the most common system used for dating rocks older than 100 million years.
* Potassium 40 to Argon 40 (half-life = 1,300,000,000 years) - this method is very often used to date rock less than 60 million years old.
* Carbon 14 to Nitrogen 14 (half-life = 5,570 years)--- There are 3 forms (isotopes) of carbon occuring in nature: Carbon 12 (accounts for 99%), Carbon 13 (accounts for 1%), and Carbon 14 (accounts for less than 1%). While alive, plants and animals incorporate these isotopes of carbon into their tissues at the ratio found in the atmosphere. Upon death, the Carbon 14 in their tissues begins to decay. By measuring the remaining amount of Carbon 14, the age of the fossil can be determined. This method can be used to date material ranging in age from a few hundred years to about 50,000 years. The use of Carbon 14 permits the determination of age directly a fossil. For fossils greater than 50,000 years old, the age of the fossil is found indirectly by determing the age of the rock associated with the fossil. Carbon 14 dating has a dating range of several hundred years before present to 50,000 years before present.

Source for the above
post #140 of 181
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Originally Posted by mmm...Jaz View Post
Can't be. The Earth is only 7,000 years old.
I'm thinking closer to 6,000.
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