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post #61 of 719
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Originally Posted by newmny65 View Post
Funny thing is one of our local parks just BANNED guns, and- you guessed it, a few days later someone got heldup at gunpoint by a thug. Dont you just love it when IDIOTS run our country...

...and yet you rarely hear about armed Hunters, out Hunting on opening season, being robbed....

This morning I heard two car jackers got shot--they tried to jack an off duty Sheriff....so he shot them.. Amazing how that aspect of being armed 'works' in your favor...



-w
post #62 of 719
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Originally Posted by wolf825 View Post
I like this quote: "I would rather be judged for what I did do, then mourned in pity for what I did not do...". <--thats a wolf original BTW....copyright free...



-w
EXCELLENT!! I like your quote much better!

and

Newmny65- Thats why I also included "illegally carry" because sometimes the laws come into direct conflict with common sense and justice
post #63 of 719
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Originally Posted by newmny65 View Post
Funny thing is one of our local parks just BANNED guns, and- you guessed it, a few days later someone got heldup at gunpoint by a thug. Dont you just love it when IDIOTS run our country...
I hate gun control - because criminals don't follow the rules, and the government is usually only targetting citizens who abide by the law. It is getting better in Canada. At first, they just kept adding to the rules (can't store ammo with guns, need trigger locks, etc) which are pointless ...but the government is now finally starting to pass deterents to comitting crimes with guns. Add 10 years to any sentence if a guy's carrying a firearm during a crime, and then things will start getting better...

There is pretty strict gun control in Canada... but I'm not afriad that it's because "the man" is looking to cull the herd. That's just crazy...
post #64 of 719
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post #65 of 719
Gun Groups File Lawsuit To Validate Montana Firearms Freedom Act

By Second Amendment Foundation Friday, October 2, 2009

BELLEVUE, WA – The Second Amendment Foundation today joined with the Montana Shooting Sports Association in a federal lawsuit filed in Missoula to validate the principles and terms of the Montana Firearms Freedom Act (MFFA), which took effect Oct. 1, 2009.


Lead attorney for the plaintiffs’ litigation team is Quentin Rhoades of the Missoula firm of Sullivan, Tabaracci & Rhoades, PC. The MFFA litigation team also includes other attorneys located in Montana, New York, Florida, Arizona and Washington.
“We’re happy to join this lawsuit,” said SAF founder Alan Gottlieb, “because we believe this issue should be decided by the courts.”
“We feel very strongly that the federal government has gone way too far in attempting to regulate a lot of activity that occurs only in-state,” added MSSA President Gary Marbut. “The Montana Legislature and governor agreed with us by enacti ng the MFFA. We welcome the support of many other states that are stepping up to the plate with their own firearms freedom acts.”
The MFFA declares that any firearms made and retained in Montana are not subject to any federal authority under the power given to Congress in the U.S. Constitution to regulate “commerce … among the several states.” It relies on the Tenth Amendment and other principles to exempt Montana-made and retained firearms, accessories and ammunition from federal regulation. Marbut’s group advises Montana citizens not to manufacture an MFFA-covered item until MSSA is upheld in court.
Earlier this year, Tennessee passed similar legislation and lawmakers in 20 other states have indicated that they will introduce MSSA clone legislation, Marbut said. Information about the Firearms Freedom Act movement is being accumulated and made publicly available at firearmsfreedomact.com.
MSSA is the primary political advocate for Montana gun owners. It can be found at mtssa.org.


post #66 of 719
Good for Montana! The states need to start telling the feds where to go. Former Sheriff Richard Mack is running for governor of Utah and is doing just that. He also sued the feds over the Brady bill and won. The states have more power over the feds than most people know. The local sheriff has more power over his county than any of the alphabet soup fed organizations and can tell any federal agent to go to hell and leave his people alone.

post #67 of 719
This has prompted me to search my state's pending legislation and I found many noteworthy bills. Here's one that makes the point quite well. I've written all the sponsors of this bill and others like it to show my support and give a few attaboys. These guys need to know we're behind them, we're watching and their work does not go unnoticed.

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Rep. Opsommer offered the following concurrent resolution:

House Concurrent Resolution No. 9.

A concurrent resolution to reaffirm the right to bear arms under the Michigan Constitution, the supremacy of the Second Amendment over the Commerce Clause, and the intent of the Michigan Legislature to not recognize or enforce unconstitutional firearm restrictions placed upon its citizens.

Whereas, Article I, Section 6 of the Michigan Constitution, clearly affirms a right to bear arms. This provision prescribes that the primary purpose of the right to bear arms is not related solely to hunting but clearly allows Michigan citizen’s to be able to protect one's self, family, and possessions from the private lawlessness of other persons or potential tyranny of governments; and

Whereas, There are also federalism provisions under the United States Constitution that prohibit the federal government from interfering with the right to bear arms within Michigan. The Tenth Amendment guarantees to the states and their people all powers not granted to the federal government elsewhere in the United States Constitution; and

Whereas, Article I, Section 8 of the United States Constitution provides the federal government with the power to regulate commerce. However, this provision only empowers the government to regulate commerce between states and cannot be used to impose regulations onto firearms beyond this scope or that are at cross-purposes with the Second Amendment; and

Whereas, Several new federal laws have been proposed that would overstep the bounds of both the Second Amendment, Michigan’s sovereign constitution, and its firearm laws; and

Whereas, It is not the intent of the Michigan Legislature to pass laws that would mandate the use of “coded,” “serialized,” or “chipped” ammunition, to create databases of such ammunition, or to outlaw the ability of people to hand load otherwise lawful ammunition. Furthermore, it is not the intent of the Michigan Legislature to pass laws that would mandate the use of so called “smart gun” technology that wirelessly or otherwise authenticates and enables a firearm to be used by only one person. Furthermore, it is not the intent of the Michigan Legislature to allow for licensing schemes for the purchase of firearms that would mandate facial recognition, iris scans, fingerprinting, or other advanced biometric technology. Furthermore, it is not the intent of the Michigan Legislature to regulate the private transfer or sale of firearms beyond what is currently required by law. Furthermore, it is not the intent of the Michigan Legislature to pass laws that would make firearm ownership or use dependent upon the purchase of personal insurance policies or other similar risk instruments. Furthermore, it is not the intent of the Michigan Legislature to prohibit firearm ownership to individuals based upon their reporting of the past use of pain killers or other medications for surgical recovery, dental procedures, and other legitimate medical purposes. Furthermore, it is not the intent of the Michigan Legislature to pass laws that would infringe upon the ability of firearm owners to keep such weapons loaded and readily accessible within their homes, or that would allow for officials to inspect firearms within their homes without first obtaining a valid search warrant issued in conjunction with a lawful criminal investigation. It is however the intent of the Michigan Legislature to ensure that such firearm schemes are not imposed upon the citizens of Michigan by either the federal government or itself, and would view such infringements as violations of both the Second Amendment and the Michigan Constitution; now, therefore, be it

Resolved by the House of Representatives (the Senate concurring), That we reaffirm the right to bear arms under the Michigan Constitution, the supremacy of the Second Amendment over the Commerce Clause, and the intent of the Michigan Legislature to not recognize or enforce unconstitutional firearm restrictions placed upon its citizens.

Resolved, That copies of this resolution be transmitted to the President of the United States Senate, the Speaker of the United States House of Representatives, members of the Michigan congressional delegation, and the head of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms.


post #68 of 719
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Originally Posted by Runswithscissors View Post
This has prompted me to search my state's pending legislation and I found many noteworthy bills. Here's one that makes the point quite well. I've written all the sponsors of this bill and others like it to show my support and give a few attaboys. These guys need to know we're behind them, we're watching and their work does not go unnoticed.
Nice!
post #69 of 719
ObamaCare Could be Used to Ban Guns in Home Self-Defense
-- Important vote to occur


Friday, October 9, 2009

Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus has something to say to gun owners: “Own a gun; lose your coverage!”

Baucus’ socialized health care bill comes up for a Finance Committee vote on Tuesday. We have waited and waited and waited for the shifty Baucus to release legislative language. But he has refused to release anything but a summary -- and we will never have a Congressional Budget Office cost assessment based on actual legislation. Even the summary was kept secret for a long time.

But, on the basis of the summary, the Baucus bill (which is still unnumbered) tells us virtually nothing about what kind of policy Americans will be required to purchase under penalty of law -- nor the consequences. It simply says:

* “all U.S. citizens and legal residents would be required to purchase coverage through (1) the individual market...”;

* “individuals would be required to report on their federal income tax return the months for which they maintain the required minimum health coverage...”;

* in addition to an extensive list of statutorily mandated coverage, HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius would be empowered to “define and update the categories of treatments, items, and services...” within an insurance plan which would be covered in a policy constituting “required minimum health coverage.”

ObamaCare and gun control

It is nearly certain that coverage prescribed by the administration will, to control costs, exclude coverage for what it regards as excessively dangerous activities. And, given Sebelius’ well-established antipathy to the Second Amendment -- she vetoed concealed carry legislation as governor of Kansas -- we presume she will define these dangerous activities to include hunting and self-defense using a firearm. It is even possible that the Obama-prescribed policy could preclude reimbursement of any kind in a household which keeps a loaded firearm for self-defense.

The ObamaCare bill already contains language that will punish Americans who engage in unhealthy behavior by allowing insurers to charge them higher insurance premiums. (What constitutes an unhealthy lifestyle is, of course, to be defined by legislators.) Don’t be surprised if an anti-gun nut like Sebelius uses this line of thinking to impose ObamaCare policies which result in a back-door gun ban on any American who owns “dangerous” firearms.

After all, insurers already (and routinely) drop homeowners from their policies for owning certain types of guns or for refusing to use trigger locks (that is, for keeping their guns ready for self-defense!). While not all insurers practice this anti-gun behavior, Gun Owners of America has documented that some do -- Prudential and State Farm being two of the most well-known.

The good news is that because homeowner insurance is private (and is still subject to the free market) you can go to another company if one drops you. But what are you going to do under nationalized ObamaCare when the regulations written by Secretary Sebelius suspend the applicability of your government-mandated policy because of your gun ownership?

All of this is in addition to something that GOA has been warning you about for several months … the certainty that minimum acceptable policies will dump your gun information into a federal database … a certainty that is reinforced by language in the summary providing for a study to “encourage increased meaningful use of electronic health records.”

Remember, the federal government has already denied more than 150,000 military veterans the right to own guns, without their being convicted of a crime or receiving any due process of law. They were denied because of medical information (such as PTSD) that the FBI later determined disqualified these veterans to own guns.

Is this what we need on a national level being applied to every gun owner in America?

Incidentally, failure to comply would subject the average family to $1,500 in fines -- and possibly more for a household with older teens. And, although a Schumer amendment purports to exempt Americans from prison sentences for non-purchase of an ObamaPolicy -- something which was never at issue -- it doesn’t prohibit them from being sent to prison for a year and fined an additional $25,000 under the Internal Revenue Code for non-payment of the initial fines.

ACTION: Contact your two U.S. Senators. Ask him or her, in the strongest terms, to vote against the phony Baucus bill.






Barack......
post #70 of 719
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Originally Posted by 2SHEA View Post
ObamaCare Could be Used to Ban Guns in Home Self-Defense
-- Important vote to occur


Friday, October 9, 2009

Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus has something to say to gun owners: “Own a gun; lose your coverage!”

Baucus’ socialized health care bill comes up for a Finance Committee vote on Tuesday. We have waited and waited and waited for the shifty Baucus to release legislative language. But he has refused to release anything but a summary -- and we will never have a Congressional Budget Office cost assessment based on actual legislation. Even the summary was kept secret for a long time.

But, on the basis of the summary, the Baucus bill (which is still unnumbered) tells us virtually nothing about what kind of policy Americans will be required to purchase under penalty of law -- nor the consequences. It simply says:

* “all U.S. citizens and legal residents would be required to purchase coverage through (1) the individual market...”;

* “individuals would be required to report on their federal income tax return the months for which they maintain the required minimum health coverage...”;

* in addition to an extensive list of statutorily mandated coverage, HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius would be empowered to “define and update the categories of treatments, items, and services...” within an insurance plan which would be covered in a policy constituting “required minimum health coverage.”

ObamaCare and gun control

It is nearly certain that coverage prescribed by the administration will, to control costs, exclude coverage for what it regards as excessively dangerous activities. And, given Sebelius’ well-established antipathy to the Second Amendment -- she vetoed concealed carry legislation as governor of Kansas -- we presume she will define these dangerous activities to include hunting and self-defense using a firearm. It is even possible that the Obama-prescribed policy could preclude reimbursement of any kind in a household which keeps a loaded firearm for self-defense.

The ObamaCare bill already contains language that will punish Americans who engage in unhealthy behavior by allowing insurers to charge them higher insurance premiums. (What constitutes an unhealthy lifestyle is, of course, to be defined by legislators.) Don’t be surprised if an anti-gun nut like Sebelius uses this line of thinking to impose ObamaCare policies which result in a back-door gun ban on any American who owns “dangerous” firearms.

After all, insurers already (and routinely) drop homeowners from their policies for owning certain types of guns or for refusing to use trigger locks (that is, for keeping their guns ready for self-defense!). While not all insurers practice this anti-gun behavior, Gun Owners of America has documented that some do -- Prudential and State Farm being two of the most well-known.

The good news is that because homeowner insurance is private (and is still subject to the free market) you can go to another company if one drops you. But what are you going to do under nationalized ObamaCare when the regulations written by Secretary Sebelius suspend the applicability of your government-mandated policy because of your gun ownership?

All of this is in addition to something that GOA has been warning you about for several months … the certainty that minimum acceptable policies will dump your gun information into a federal database … a certainty that is reinforced by language in the summary providing for a study to “encourage increased meaningful use of electronic health records.”

Remember, the federal government has already denied more than 150,000 military veterans the right to own guns, without their being convicted of a crime or receiving any due process of law. They were denied because of medical information (such as PTSD) that the FBI later determined disqualified these veterans to own guns.

Is this what we need on a national level being applied to every gun owner in America?

Incidentally, failure to comply would subject the average family to $1,500 in fines -- and possibly more for a household with older teens. And, although a Schumer amendment purports to exempt Americans from prison sentences for non-purchase of an ObamaPolicy -- something which was never at issue -- it doesn’t prohibit them from being sent to prison for a year and fined an additional $25,000 under the Internal Revenue Code for non-payment of the initial fines.

ACTION: Contact your two U.S. Senators. Ask him or her, in the strongest terms, to vote against the phony Baucus bill.






Barack......
No surprise,they are sneaky bastards and always try to pass laws indirectly to get what they want.
post #71 of 719
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Remember, the federal government has already denied more than 150,000 military veterans the right to own guns, without their being convicted of a crime or receiving any due process of law. They were denied because of medical information (such as PTSD) that the FBI later determined disqualified these veterans to own guns.
If you are not mentally stable the last thing you should own is a gun!

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it doesn’t prohibit them from being sent to prison for a year and fined an additional $25,000 under the Internal Revenue Code for non-payment of the initial fines.
If you don't pay your taxes or make a mistake the IRS will work with you. But tax evasion laws helped us get Al Capone.
post #72 of 719
This is amazing...

Citizen nabs a robber in his house and holds him at gunpoint and calls 911...explains to dispatch he is holding the robber etc. The WIFE goes outside to let in the police and explain that her husband has the guy on the ground at gunpoint... Cops are made aware of the situation..

Cops obviously ignore everything they are told by dispatch and by the wife waiting outside--and just bust in without hesitation--shoot the homeowner IN THE BACK "accidentally 6 times"...without giving ANY verbal warning or commands as should be a standard operating procedure....and then drag out the homeowner by the same leg they shot him in. How do you shoot someone 'accidentally 6 times'..? What is more fun--not only do they just walk in shoot him in the back, but they shoot him in the leg that they later drag him out by...but when he is down after the first couple of shots--they stand over him and shoot him 3 more times on the ground... WHO is the criminal here?

The cop who shot--and admittedly failed to give any verbal warning or commands but apparently just walked in shooting very zealously, is found 'innocent' by his department of any wrongdoing...even tho the phoenix police department issued a statement saying that its officer entered and accidentally shot the guy--you don't shoot someone 6 times by accident unless you have a machine gun which fires numerous rounds with a small trigger pull......you shoot once maybe twice by accident...not six times.. The first shot may have been by accident--but then the cop must have realized he would have to finish the guy off so he didn't get sued. That didn't work...they guy survived..

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/cri....homeowner.cnn


Jackbooted thugs on adrenaline power trip... They shouldn't sue for 6 million--they should sue for $600 trillion...and that cop should be in jail probably but certainly should not be a cop any more...


-w
post #73 of 719
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Originally Posted by wolf825 View Post
This is amazing...

Citizen nabs a robber in his house and holds him at gunpoint and calls 911...explains to dispatch he is holding the robber etc. The WIFE goes outside to let in the police and explain that her husband has the guy on the ground at gunpoint... Cops are made aware of the situation..

Cops obviously ignore everything they are told by dispatch and by the wife waiting outside--and just bust in without hesitation--shoot the homeowner IN THE BACK "accidentally 6 times"...without giving ANY verbal warning or commands as should be a standard operating procedure....and then drag out the homeowner by the same leg they shot him in. How do you shoot someone 'accidentally 6 times'..? What is more fun--not only do they just walk in shoot him in the back, but they shoot him in the leg that they later drag him out by...but when he is down after the first couple of shots--they stand over him and shoot him 3 more times on the ground... WHO is the criminal here?

The cop who shot--and admittedly failed to give any verbal warning or commands but apparently just walked in shooting very zealously, is found 'innocent' by his department of any wrongdoing...even tho the phoenix police department issued a statement saying that its officer entered and accidentally shot the guy--you don't shoot someone 6 times by accident unless you have a machine gun which fires numerous rounds with a small trigger pull......you shoot once maybe twice by accident...not six times.. The first shot may have been by accident--but then the cop must have realized he would have to finish the guy off so he didn't get sued. That didn't work...they guy survived..

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/cri....homeowner.cnn


Jackbooted thugs on adrenaline power trip... They shouldn't sue for 6 million--they should sue for $600 trillion...and that cop should be in jail probably but certainly should not be a cop any more...


-w
and the government wants to restrict citizens from gun ownership
post #74 of 719
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Originally Posted by wolf825 View Post
This is amazing...

Citizen nabs a robber in his house and holds him at gunpoint and calls 911...explains to dispatch he is holding the robber etc. The WIFE goes outside to let in the police and explain that her husband has the guy on the ground at gunpoint... Cops are made aware of the situation..

Cops obviously ignore everything they are told by dispatch and by the wife waiting outside--and just bust in without hesitation--shoot the homeowner IN THE BACK "accidentally 6 times"...without giving ANY verbal warning or commands as should be a standard operating procedure....and then drag out the homeowner by the same leg they shot him in. How do you shoot someone 'accidentally 6 times'..? What is more fun--not only do they just walk in shoot him in the back, but they shoot him in the leg that they later drag him out by...but when he is down after the first couple of shots--they stand over him and shoot him 3 more times on the ground... WHO is the criminal here?

The cop who shot--and admittedly failed to give any verbal warning or commands but apparently just walked in shooting very zealously, is found 'innocent' by his department of any wrongdoing...even tho the phoenix police department issued a statement saying that its officer entered and accidentally shot the guy--you don't shoot someone 6 times by accident unless you have a machine gun which fires numerous rounds with a small trigger pull......you shoot once maybe twice by accident...not six times.. The first shot may have been by accident--but then the cop must have realized he would have to finish the guy off so he didn't get sued. That didn't work...they guy survived..

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/cri....homeowner.cnn


Jackbooted thugs on adrenaline power trip... They shouldn't sue for 6 million--they should sue for $600 trillion...and that cop should be in jail probably but certainly should not be a cop any more...


-w


I have owned firearms for over 4 decades. I have yet to accidentally shoot anyone. Does this article mean that I now have 6 free passes? 'cause if that's so, I have this list, ya see........








Good Luck
post #75 of 719
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Originally Posted by TNTrader View Post
I have owned firearms for over 4 decades. I have yet to accidentally shoot anyone. Does this article mean that I now have 6 free passes? 'cause if that's so, I have this list, ya see........








Good Luck
you only have a list? I have learned if you think "outside of the box" the list will become a book
post #76 of 719
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Originally Posted by TNTrader View Post
I have owned firearms for over 4 decades. I have yet to accidentally shoot anyone. Does this article mean that I now have 6 free passes? 'cause if that's so, I have this list, ya see........








Good Luck

it seems so...apparently shooting someone 6 times is considered accidental...at least in phoenix AZ..


-w
post #77 of 719
NAGR Bill Watch
111th Congress

http://nationalgunrights.org/billwatch.shtml






post #78 of 719
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Originally Posted by wolf825 View Post
That's like onion material

I don't really know what to think. . .
post #79 of 719
summary - http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...bAaSgD9B8RHKG0




horrible shots all around

the guy jumping around outside had to of been close to shooting his drug dealing friend (i bet they had legally purchased weapons though)
post #80 of 719
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Originally Posted by 2SHEA View Post
NAGR Bill Watch
111th Congress

http://nationalgunrights.org/billwatch.shtml






Maybe you should have displayed the upside down US Flag (a distress signal) when Bush sent our troops, which got thousands killed for nothing, to Iraq. Many laid their lives down and for what? The Iraqis still hate us and will when we are gone. Where was your upside down flag then?
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