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I saw that....the republicans who voted against this--idiots and hypocrites...they should be removed from office...its just absurd...



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The bill wants to do away with arbitration clauses all together from what I understand. With companies who do business with the federal government. Tens of thousands of companies across the country forced to do away with arbitration clauses. Contractors work with the feds. I am a contractor and we all use arbitration clauses on just about every job over 25k or so. This is a sweeping bill disguised as the no rape bill. John Stewart hardly put this in perspective. No rape, I agree you should not be able to attach violent criminal acts into an arbitration contract but this is going to be a disaster, I just can't imagine going to court for a simple change order dispute or workmanship dispute.
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I saw that....the republicans who voted against this--idiots and hypocrites...they should be removed from office...its just absurd...

I understand how they may think that congress should not get involved in private contracts--but that would MAYBE apply if this was a contract between two private entities, however when such obvious laws and personal rights are being broken by a private contract--YES you have to be involved if it violates US laws...AND if its a contract WITH the US Government, then yes as the entity contracting you have the right to set reasonable and legal limitations and expectations for conduct as a government contractor that they have to abide by. Duh...

This was simply protection of Haliburton by 'friends' who probably get kickbacks or favors.. Disgusting to see in congress...ignoring the obvious and common sense for the monetary... Cronies such as this need to be removed from office...


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I've heard before that people get their news from comedy shows, fake news shows, such as Stewart, but I never really believed it. I found it too absurd to believe.

I guess when the evidence is staring me in the face, it's silly to deny it any longer.

No wonder we voted for Barack Obama.
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Used to watch Ole Stewart a lot but the silliness the 1st half of the show just finally got to me. I still try to catch the 2nd half sometimes for his interviews. I still say he's one of the best interviews in the biz.
Actually lets people get out a full sentence in before butting in with his own opinion or the producer running to commercial after a couple minutes. Kind of a novel idea.

But really, is getting news from him any more absurd than getting it from the network "news" outlets like nbc? They're even farther to the left than he is.
It seems like that at least what he says is what he actually believes. Even if I happen to disagree with him on a few things I don't feel like he's just reading off a precisely typed out government and Fed approved script.

But anyway, Lou Dobbs has really been growing on me the past year or so. He has his scripted moments, especially the 1st 15 to 30 minutes of his show, but I try to catch the last 30 minutes most every night when I can. It's mostly just a rehash of what all I've seen on the web tho.
Glenn Beck also has his interesting days...I'll admit I'm a sucker for a little government bashing haha.
I also watch a little Shepard Smith but he kind of lost me with his support for the health care nonsense and being an asshole to a nurse speaking out against the mandatory flu shots

Most of the other shows are just a joke.
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Shep Smith lost me back during Katrina when he lost his mind believing every story that came out of New Orleans. Their eating babies at the football stadium, ARGH!!!

And I no longer get my news from the television. Ive found it's too draining trying to actively listen to what is being said. And seriously, you must actively listen or they will sneak stuff past you that you won't realize.

It's like reading headlines in newspapers. You think it says one thing but when you read the actual story (Which many people don't bother to do) the headline means something completely different, or isn't supported by the story.

So my news comes from the internet now. I prefer to read my news stories because if my brain starts to hurt I can just come back to the written word later and pick up where I left off. It's also easier for me to pick out the "weasel" words they use when its written, rather than spoken.
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I saw that....the republicans who voted against this--idiots and hypocrites...they should be removed from office...its just absurd...

I understand how they may think that congress should not get involved in private contracts--but that would MAYBE apply if this was a contract between two private entities, however when such obvious laws and personal rights are being broken by a private contract--YES you have to be involved if it violates US laws...AND if its a contract WITH the US Government, then yes as the entity contracting you have the right to set reasonable and legal limitations and expectations for conduct as a government contractor that they have to abide by. Duh...

This was simply protection of Haliburton by 'friends' who probably get kickbacks or favors.. Disgusting to see in congress...ignoring the obvious and common sense for the monetary... Cronies such as this need to be removed from office...


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Actually, this was simply bullshiite. There is no clause whatsoever that can mitigate, alter, deny or rescind a citizens recourse, civil or criminal, for the commission of a criminal act against them. You can sign them all day long, they are unenforceable and have been used as evidence of premeditation countless times. I know of at least two instances where such "hold blameless" clauses have been used as evidence of cultural malfeasence and brought a relatively minor civil suit to the status as a felony because it was mandated for employment. In criminal court it does not matter wether the victim presses charges or not, the crime, as personal as it may have been, was against society and society , through the prosecutor, seeks justice. A contract that attempts to override legal protections against criminal acts is, itself, criminal. A contract that attempts to override civil protections is void when the protection is used to defend a criminal act.









Thats the short version, if you just really feel the need to get a raging migraine feel free to hire a non-lazy lawyer and get the long version. It takes about 220 pages of legalese to say worthless when these contracts are used as cover for criminal acts.





Good Luck
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Shep Smith lost me back during Katrina when he lost his mind believing every story that came out of New Orleans. Their eating babies at the football stadium, ARGH!!!
oh how that quote was so enjoyed, yet mysteriously forgotten
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Hard Drives Seized at ACORN's New Orleans Office
Friday, November 06, 2009
By Joshua Rhett Miller

PrintShareThisInvestigators for the Louisiana Attorney General executed a search warrant Friday at ACORN's New Orleans office in connections to allegations of embezzlement and tax fraud.

Spokeswoman Tammi Arender Herring said the search warrant was executed shortly after 9 a.m. and resulted in the seizure of computers, hard drives and documents.

"It is quite a bit of stuff," Herring said, adding that ACORN officials were "extremely cooperative."

The search warrant follows the removal of computers and other items by two unidentified former ACORN employees when they left the organization, according to ACORN attorneys.

Assistant Attorney General David Caldwell said the original allegations of embezzlement were made last year by ACORN board members who were terminated after asking for an examination of the activist group's books.

ACORN fired its longtime director of its Louisiana chapter last month, citing a lack of accountability.

Pamela Marple, an attorney for ACORN, acknowledged that the community activist group has been cooperating with a variety of governmental agencies in the past two months.

"The AG's inquiry came in the form of a subpoena, which was issued in October and which requested virtually every document in the possession of ACORN and any related entity," Marple said in a statement issued to FoxNews.com. "ACORN was working diligently with the AG’s office to understand the request and respond in a realistic manner, particularly because the subpoena requested well over a million documents."

ACORN has been assured the computers will be returned shortly, Marple said.
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Who cares who found it or how it went down, it's on tape. IT'S HAPPENING. How much stimulus, err, my tax money did ASCREW get. Sickening that you would even defend it.
just came across this...

I think its safe to say at this point ALL stimulus is being screwed and not just ACORN... all of it, starting with the hefty bonuses payed out to incompetent CEOs and the bailout of their failed and continually failing business models... its right across the board, these are just examples that we hear about (got caught). I would bet my last dollar that if every stimulus dollar doled out was accounted for that maybe 1% of it was put to legitimate use... welcome to the biggest fraud in human history, the American government...
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just came across this...

I think its safe to say at this point ALL stimulus is being screwed and not just ACORN... all of it, starting with the hefty bonuses payed out to incompetent CEOs and the bailout of their failed and continually failing business models... its right across the board, these are just examples that we hear about (got caught). I would bet my last dollar that if every stimulus dollar doled out was accounted for that maybe 1% of it was put to legitimate use... welcome to the biggest fraud in human history, the American government...
Drudge is reporting your office got raided by the FBI today. You give asscorn a bad name.
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Drudge is reporting your office got raided by the FBI today. You give asscorn a bad name.
I see a week has passed and you still have not learned to refrain from attacking the poster rather than the opinion, well I guess thats what people do when they have no relevant rebuttal, human nature I guess, think they call it 'grasping at straws'...

have a great weekend, Big Gurl, I know you will provide much intriguing literature this weekend as always, seems to be your busiest time on the forum... I on the otherhand have a busy weekend and I will catch up with your fascinating intellect when I have nothing better to do... toodles!
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I've had a change of heart. I think you should get 50% more in your welfare check. I don't know you convinced me.
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I've had a change of heart. I think you should get 50% more in your welfare check. I don't know you convinced me.
must be exciting to have nothing better to do all weekend long but to spend it attempting to outwit posters that do not share your archaic points of view... so sad...
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must be exciting to have nothing better to do all weekend long but to spend it attempting to outwit posters that do not share your archaic points of view... so sad...
You forgot I live in S.C.
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You forgot I live in S.C.
oh yeah... been there a few times, I have to say nice place, but I say that everywhere I go and its always a good time for me, I keep forgetting that after the good time the people that live where I just played just go back to their regular routine and I go back to mine. I never really get to stop anywhere long enough to see what its all about...
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ACORN sues over funding cut

A non-profit organization filed a lawsuit against the federal government Thursday morning, seeking to overturn a law stopping the flow of federal funds to ACORN.

The suit, filed in federal court in New York, claims that bills passed by the House and Senate to defund the group qualify as bills of attainder, legislation that unfairly targets one group. Such bills are unconstitutional.

The suit will seek to restore funding and roll-back the ban, which was passed as part of the legislative branch appropriations bill in September.

ACORN claims that the legislation was of “malicious and punitive intent.” The suit also claims Congress violated the Fifth Amendment by skirting due process before doling out the punishment of the funding cut. OMB Director Peter Orszag and Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner are listed as co-defendants in the suit.

Efforts to defund ACORN became popular among Democrats and Republicans after conservative activists caught the organization’s employees in several offices advising actors posing as a politician and his prostitute girlfriend on how to evade taxes and set up a brothel.

Sen. Mike Johanns (R-Neb.) and others in Congress quickly moved to ensure no federal funds were steered to the group – measures that got support from even the most ardent liberals like Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.).

The lawsuit, which was brought by the Center for Constitutional Rights, says that ACORN has been subject to “heavily funded and orchestrated political campaigns.”

But this effort represents a complete reversal from ACORN, which emphasized to reporters and the public that the money it received from the federal government was not essential to its existence.

Now the group is taking a bold step to restore its federal funding by accusing Congress of violating the Constitution.

The court filing claims ACORN has been bruised badly by the legislation. It says it has had to lay off employees, close offices and “drastically” reduce services.

But the complaint also offers a small peak into and how much ACORN truly relies on the government for money. It cites FEMA pulling back roughly $1 million in funding for fire safety assessments after the legislation passed. The filing also shows that the organization lost out on a $780,000 EPA grant to educate poor communities about asthma and a separate grant to set up public computer centers for the poor in five cities.

And the suit highlights a few members of Congress as being especially critical of the group. Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) is cited as having “(attacked) ACORN for years.” It quotes Rep. Dan Burton (R-Ind.) trying to tie President Barack Obama to the group. And it cites Republican Reps. Steve King (Iowa) and Todd Akin (Mo.) calling a Obama campaign poster in ACORN’s headquarters a “Jeremiah Wright moment.”

Successful cases proving a bill of attainder are rare in the United States, said Jonathan Turley, a constitutional law expert at George Washington University who successfully argued the last attainder case in 2003.

Turley said ACORN has a “legitimate claim” for asking a court to overturn the law, on the standing that barring the organization from receiving funds could be considered “legislative punishment.” Congress has equally compelling arguments, he said, but may have acted in haste because it did not hold hearings and create a complete record documenting ACORN’s misconduct.

“Congress may wish it had acted with a bit more deliberation,” Turley said.
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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29468.html

GOP claims ACORN in financial trouble

An internal memo from the Republican staff of the House Oversight and Government Reform committee claims that ACORN has serious financial problems and may be “ready to file for bankruptcy.”

But ACORN officials are dismissing the memo as a partisan slap, asserting that the housing and community organizing group remains fully operational.

Brian Kettenring, the Deputy Director of National Operations for ACORN, says the bankruptcy claims by Rep. Darrell Issa, the top Republican on the committee, are inaccurate.

“While the public clearly can’t believe much of anything Issa claims about ACORN, we can assure you that we are continuing the daily work across America for living wage jobs, an end to the foreclosure crisis, and quality healthcare,” Kettenring wrote in an email.

Still, the GOP memo asserts that financial woes and a federal raid of an ACORN office in New Orleans has left the community group crippled and “in one or two months the organization will not exist."

Issa's staff alleges that the three main offices of ACORN are engaged in a “civil war” and CEO Bertha Lewis has taken custody of hundreds of bank accounts with funds totaling roughly $20 million, in order to consolidate assets. ACORN is shutting down local offices nationwide and the national apparatus has informed satellite offices that they will no longer receive money from the headquarters, the memo claims. ACORN would not comment on these allegations, and Kettenring declined to discuss the prospect of bankruptcy.

Issa has long been a critic of ACORN. His committee has repeatedly called for investigations into the organization and in June issued a 99-page report titled: “Is ACORN Intentionally Structured as a Criminal Enterprise?”

Earlier today, a lawsuit filed on ACORN's behalf claims the group has had to shut down offices, curb services and lay off employees after Congress decided to cut off funding to the group.
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The court filing claims ACORN has been bruised badly by the legislation. It says it has had to lay off employees, close offices and “drastically” reduce services.
Will somebody please think of all the homeless hookers!

What has this world come to when a pimp cant get a loan to buy a house for his hoes?

ACORN had it coming.
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