Everybody's sins have been paid for!
Sin isn't the issue.
People don't go to hell because of their sin;
They go to hell because they haven't ACCEPTED THE PAYMENT for their sin.
They haven't received the Lord Jesus Christ. They haven't made Jesus their personal Lord and Savior.
Me or you can't do good enough or be good enough. There is NOTHING me or any of you could offer that will ever supersede what Jesus has done.
Thats the true gospel.
God is not mad or angry with you!
Everybody's sins have been paid for!
Sin isn't the issue.
People don't go to hell because of their sin;
They go to hell because they haven't ACCEPTED THE PAYMENT for their sin.
They haven't received the Lord Jesus Christ. They haven't made Jesus their personal Lord and Savior.
Me or you can't do good enough or be good enough. There is NOTHING me or any of you could offer that will ever supersede what Jesus has done.
Thats the true gospel.
God is not mad or angry with you!
So I assume we also can't do anyhing bad enough to keep us out of heaven if we received communion and made him our personal savior?
So I assume we also can't do anyhing bad enough to keep us out of heaven if we received communion and made him our personal savior?
Your twisting his words. I grew up Catholic, did all the Catholic rituals and stuff. Left the church when I left home but there came a point in my life when I started to think about spiritual things again. Being Catholic, I started to wonder if I had done enough good to outweigh the bad I had done.
I got a bible and started reading. After getting about a third of the way through the old testament, I skipped ahead to Mathew and was blown away by what I was reading. I then read John and the light really clicked on. I realized I could not do enough good and that the Gospel was about accepting the sacrifice of Christ for my sins. I did that and my life was changed. Hard to explain but it was the single biggest and most important moment in my life.
Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Your twisting his words. I grew up Catholic, did all the Catholic rituals and stuff. Left the church when I left home but there came a point in my life when I started to think about spiritual things again. Being Catholic, I started to wonder if I had done enough good to outweigh the bad I had done.
I got a bible and started reading. After getting about a third of the way through the old testament, I skipped ahead to Mathew and was blown away by what I was reading. I then read John and the light really clicked on. I realized I could not do enough good and that the Gospel was about accepting the sacrifice of Christ for my sins. I did that and my life was changed. Hard to explain but it was the single biggest and most important moment in my life.
Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
I was also raised Catholic it just seems that there are a lot of holes and confusion in the religion. I wasn't trying to twist what he said just asking about it. I understand what he is saying; no amount of good done will make a difference in the end (even though I have been told differently by some priests).
But given that same belief, the amount of bad you do should not matter either, correct? Your sins have already been paid for therefore you can not be bad enough to go to hell on sins alone.
Holy crap, I can't believe I said that with a straight face. Wow, doesn't religion just fill you with warm bags of fuzzy goodness?
Religion doesn't, but faith does.
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Then what's the point in trying? If Jesus died for my sins, then I'd better not disappoint him by wearing a halo. What a waste that would be, eh?
If you truly accept the sacrifice of Christ, you will no longer desire to live in sin. Sin will become apparent, and your desire will be to live righteously. However we all fail and sin. It's the nature of man, but if we repent and ask forgiveness, we know we are forgiven. His mercy is new each day. It's a journey that continues each day throughout our lives. It's also a battle with Satan, for he will do everything in his power to keep you from God, or tempt you away from Him.
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Can someone explain the whole "died for my sins" thing to me? (that's a serious question)
The Gospel
“There is no greater message to be heard than that which we call the Gospel. But as important as that is, it is often given to massive distortions or over simplifications. People think they’re preaching the Gospel to you when they tell you, ‘you can have a purpose to your life’, or that ‘you can have meaning to your life’, or that ‘you can have a personal relationship with Jesus.’ All of those things are true, and they’re all important, but they don’t get to the heart of the Gospel.
The Gospel is called the ‘good news’ because it addresses the most serious problem that you and I have as human beings, and that problem is simply this: God is holy and He is just, and I’m not. And at the end of my life, I’m going to stand before a just and holy God, and I’ll be judged. And I’ll be judged either on the basis of my own righteousness – or lack of it – or the righteousness of another. The good news of the Gospel is that Jesus lived a life of perfect righteousness, of perfect obedience to God, not for His own well being but for His people. He has done for me what I couldn’t possibly do for myself. But not only has He lived that life of perfect obedience, He offered Himself as a perfect sacrifice to satisfy the justice and the righteousness of God.
The great misconception in our day is this: that God isn’t concerned to protect His own integrity. He’s a kind of wishy-washy deity, who just waves a wand of forgiveness over everybody. No. For God to forgive you is a very costly matter. It cost the sacrifice of His own Son. So valuable was that sacrifice that God pronounced it valuable by raising Him from the dead – so that Christ died for us, He was raised for our justification. So the Gospel is something objective. It is the message of who Jesus is and what He did. And it also has a subjective dimension. How are the benefits of Jesus subjectively appropriated to us? How do I get it? The Bible makes it clear that we are justified not by our works, not by our efforts, not by our deeds, but by faith – and by faith alone. The only way you can receive the benefit of Christ’s life and death is by putting your trust in Him – and in Him alone. You do that, you’re declared just by God, you’re adopted into His family, you’re forgiven of all of your sins, and you have begun your pilgrimage for eternity.”
In the Old Testament, there are many examples of people who literally died for their sins. The punishment of sin was death. The sacrifice of Jesus, who was without sin (or perfect), was the the fulfillment of God's promise to longer punish the sins of man with death.
Remarkably, Jesus Christ's death encompassed all the sins of all man, past, present, and future, to include non-believers. God will never again punish sin with death, regardless of the nature of the sin and regardless of the sinner's beliefs.
Jesus acknowledged and predicted that people throughout time would deny his purpose, God's existence, and everything in between. He choose to die for their sins as well.
If you truly accept the sacrifice of Christ, you will no longer desire to live in sin. Sin will become apparent, and your desire will be to live righteously. However we all fail and sin. It's the nature of man, but if we repent and ask forgiveness, we know we are forgiven. His mercy is new each day. It's a journey that continues each day throughout our lives. It's also a battle with Satan, for he will do everything in his power to keep you from God, or tempt you away from Him.
The Gospel
“There is no greater message to be heard than that which we call the Gospel. But as important as that is, it is often given to massive distortions or over simplifications. People think they’re preaching the Gospel to you when they tell you, ‘you can have a purpose to your life’, or that ‘you can have meaning to your life’, or that ‘you can have a personal relationship with Jesus.’ All of those things are true, and they’re all important, but they don’t get to the heart of the Gospel.
The Gospel is called the ‘good news’ because it addresses the most serious problem that you and I have as human beings, and that problem is simply this: God is holy and He is just, and I’m not. And at the end of my life, I’m going to stand before a just and holy God, and I’ll be judged. And I’ll be judged either on the basis of my own righteousness – or lack of it – or the righteousness of another. The good news of the Gospel is that Jesus lived a life of perfect righteousness, of perfect obedience to God, not for His own well being but for His people. He has done for me what I couldn’t possibly do for myself. But not only has He lived that life of perfect obedience, He offered Himself as a perfect sacrifice to satisfy the justice and the righteousness of God.The great misconception in our day is this: that God isn’t concerned to protect His own integrity. He’s a kind of wishy-washy deity, who just waves a wand of forgiveness over everybody. No. For God to forgive you is a very costly matter. It cost the sacrifice of His own Son. So valuable was that sacrifice that God pronounced it valuable by raising Him from the dead – so that Christ died for us, He was raised for our justification. So the Gospel is something objective. It is the message of who Jesus is and what He did. And it also has a subjective dimension. How are the benefits of Jesus subjectively appropriated to us? How do I get it? The Bible makes it clear that we are justified not by our works, not by our efforts, not by our deeds, but by faith – and by faith alone. The only way you can receive the benefit of Christ’s life and death is by putting your trust in Him – and in Him alone. You do that, you’re declared just by God, you’re adopted into His family, you’re forgiven of all of your sins, and you have begun your pilgrimage for eternity.”
Right on 22rowdy!
Jesus and Paul, just like us followers of Jesus today still have to deal with religious leaders that do not understand the gospel today. The people under them are being decieved and controlled. What has helped me the most is learning to take what these so called ministers of the gospel preach and teach and see if it lines up with what God said in His word. God wants people to know the truth because when they know the truth, and believe it they will be free!
When all fear of judgement is removed ( which Jesus accomplished on the cross by taking all judgement), and we understand this and recieve Christ ( God's gift to us)we are free to approach a loving, compassionate God . Not based on our works or deeds but on the works of Jesus dying on the cross.
Thats what grace is all about. Not what I've done but what He has done for me that I could not do. I am free because Jesus took my place! Jesus was and is my substitute! What He did for me, He did for you also!
[QUOTE=22rowdy;1999737]In the Old Testament, there are many examples of people who literally died for their sins. The punishment of sin was death. The sacrifice of Jesus, who was without sin (or perfect), was the the fulfillment of God's promise to no longer punish the sins of man with death.[B]Remarkably, Jesus Christ's death encompassed all the sins of all man, past, present, and future, to include non-believers. God will never again punish sin with death, regardless of the nature of the sin and regardless of the sinner's beliefs.[/B] Jesus acknowledged and predicted that people throughout time would deny his purpose, God's existence, and everything in between. He choose to die for their sins as well.[/QUOTE]
In the Old Testament, there are many examples of people who literally died for their sins. The punishment of sin was death. The sacrifice of Jesus, who was without sin (or perfect), was the the fulfillment of God's promise to longer punish the sins of man with death.
Remarkably, Jesus Christ's death encompassed all the sins of all man, past, present, and future, to include non-believers. God will never again punish sin with death, regardless of the nature of the sin and regardless of the sinner's beliefs.
Jesus acknowledged and predicted that people throughout time would deny his purpose, God's existence, and everything in between. He choose to die for their sins as well.
I disagree with this statement that Jesus sacrifice will go out to those who do not believe. There will be judgement and if you lived by your own works, you will be judged by them. Those who believed and accepted Christs sacrifice are written in the Lambs book of life and their sin will not be seen as it has already been paid for. For those who aren't:
REV 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Doesnt anyone have a problem with Hell, even if you dont accept Christ?
Here's one of my struggles with literal interpretation by many. How can you as a GOOD indivudual be ok with going to a good place forever, knowing that many that you have loved and were good people, some probably better than you, are going to an eternal bad place. Are you ok with this?? Seriously. Doesnt that tell you something? You are saying I beleive in something that says many I love will eternally parish, BUT THATS OK because IM (ME ME ME) saved.
Here's one of my struggles with literal interpretation by many. How can you as a GOOD indivudual be ok with going to a good place forever, knowing that many that you have loved and were good people, some probably better than you, are going to an eternal bad place. Are you ok with this?? Seriously. Doesnt that tell you something? You are saying I beleive in something that says many I love will eternally parish, BUT THATS OK because IM (ME ME ME) saved.
No it's not OK. That's why christians evangalize and share the gospel. I don't want my loved ones or friends or anyone to go to hell and neither does God. It's tough, my parents and the rest of my extended family are die hard Catholics. They believe good works, going to church every Sunday and putting something in the offering will get them to heaven. Problem is it won't. They have no relationship with the Lord and don't want to talk about it. The bible is very clear on this though. Jesus is the way, the truth and the light, no one comes to the Father but through Him.
We have no excuse. The gospel has been declared throughout the world. You have a choice to accept or deny. That choice will determine your eternity however hard that may be to accept. For me the choice was easy once I learned the truth. It is a life changing event. The overwhelming love of God in your life is something that words don't do justice to.
Allow me to quote from the book of Thomas (Paine): This story of the redemption will not stand examination. That man should redeem himself from the sin of eating an apple, by committing a murder on Jesus Christ, is the strangest system of religion ever set up.
