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post #141 of 205
Don't mind him bb... Seriously. You just keep doing what you're doing. I'm sure I speak for most all HSMers when I say your contributions here at HSM are greatly appreciated! Thank you for all that you've done for this site over the years. You da man! Keep up the great work! Oh and thanks for bumping this thread. Really good stuff!
post #142 of 205
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I like the way you are sure to mention your paid website and how you aren't saying what you're thinking in almost every post in the last six months. Thanks a bunch.

In 12 years on the internet I have never paid for access to any website and I'm not starting now just to read your vaulted opinions. I'm happy for you and your success, but there's no need to rub it in our noses every time you post here. At one time you added a lot of value to this forum but lately all you do is tell us how right you have been and if we want to know what you're thinking now then we can pay up.
No offense but arent you the one constantly complaining because you make bad trades and lose money?? I hate to derail BB's thread but its intended to help the ones like you and teach you how to make money... I take it your still losing money by the tone of your post...
post #143 of 205
No, I'm not still losing money, but thanks for asking.

Just forget I mentioned it. Looks like I'm in the minority on this one so I'll keep it to myself and will never mention it again.
post #144 of 205
Thread Starter 
Thanks BullMarket29 and ezrider.

Look Skwerl, your not the minority and I'm not the majority. Let's just set this non-sense aside and lets focus on the topic of the thread. Let talk about what really matters, come on now.

I'll post some relevant articles later next week and give my thoughts on it.
post #145 of 205
Cramer likes commodities still...esp industrial related ones...but did briefly touch on what he sees as a "rare earth bubble"
post #146 of 205
price of metals will rise until 2018 ..just my 1 cent.....
post #147 of 205
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price of metals will rise until 2018 ..just my 1 cent.....
yea he liked basic metals and copper and such but was leery of rare earths
post #148 of 205
there is a supply contraction on the way with copper ..... I do have some rare earth metals canadian stock like TORCH RIVER ( TCR.V ) this stock is ballistic ...went up two different day with more than 100 % gain..... This is one of my biggest position in Canada
post #149 of 205

copper

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there is a supply contraction on the way with copper ..... I do have some rare earth metals canadian stock like TORCH RIVER ( TCR.V ) this stock is ballistic ...went up two different day with more than 100 % gain..... This is one of my biggest position in Canada
and its already at alltime highs right??? (copper)
no ceiling in sight for that one yet
post #150 of 205
sure kevin, copper will pullback ..maybe 20-30 % to the downside....but the demand will drive the price much higher than we think.... While everybody watching gold and silver ...there is some action in Uranium...nickel...zinc...palladium....platinum... .
post #151 of 205
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Originally Posted by philipper View Post
sure kevin, copper will pullback ..maybe 20-30 % to the downside....but the demand will drive the price much higher than we think.... While everybody watching gold and silver ...there is some action in Uranium...nickel...zinc...palladium....platinum... .
id be surprised with that much of a pullback in copp
post #152 of 205
uranium stocks were insane today in Canada..... But I'm looking for small cap copper stocks...
post #153 of 205
philipper...what do you think of CUU?
post #154 of 205
heads up on a new thread just for metals...


http://www.hotstockmarket.com/forums...ad.php?t=82403
post #155 of 205
4.26 is the end wick for the all time high on copper.
i doubt it rallys harder.. if so its due to the dilution of the dollar not because of demand.
post #156 of 205
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4.26 is the end wick for the all time high on copper.
i doubt it rallys harder.. if so its due to the dilution of the dollar not because of demand.
but ther is still enormous current and future demand for copper...and shrinking supplies
post #157 of 205
Thread Starter 
True, emerging market demand will provide a floor in price for most of these commodities for the foreseeable future, but you have to remember two things; a) with rising commodity prices come rising costs. As the marginal cost for each unit sold increases, marginal product will decease. That means that most companies are close to hitting their earnings growth peak, so a higher move in commodity prices doesn't represent companies with higher revenues, but with diminished revenues, does a probable deceleration in growth, and b) a lo of companies are making profits because of the inventory build back in 2009. They (i.e. resource companies) basically amassed large quantities of inventories (i.e. raw materials) at a very low cost, and now their selling at a much higher pirce. With higher commodity prices, these companies will have to pay up foro these commodites, so the margin of revenue is going to be smaller going forward.

Just thought I shared my comments. Does htis mean an end to this commodity bubble. Not yet, but I'd be careful were I entered these trades.

Kevin, thanks for reviving the thread.

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Originally Posted by philipper View Post
sure kevin, copper will pullback ..maybe 20-30 % to the downside....but the demand will drive the price much higher than we think.... While everybody watching gold and silver ...there is some action in Uranium...nickel...zinc...palladium....platinum... .
post #158 of 205
well copper fell to 3.93 0.10 which is a pretty moderate drop.
post #159 of 205
Heh. I find it funny... I'm not too sure how the Fed is tackling this. But in the past 30 years or so, I know low interest rates usually coincide with lower commodity prices. This isn't the case right now.

But with such a low US Dollar, I wonder if the US is trying to become an export economy? I'm not too sure how that is going to work, to be honest. Considering that exports only account for 12% of its GDP. I know, up here in Canada, we did that during fiscal hardships but it was different (and it worked) because our exports make up a substantial amount of our GDP (>25%, I believe). If I remember correctly, consumption in the US account for 71%? Heh. I sure hope the US aren't trying to become exporters, not too sure how that would fair out.
post #160 of 205
Thread Starter 
Very true. Low interest rates typically coincide with low commodity prices (i.e. input prices) but you have to remember that Fed hasn't only lowered rates, it is in the process of injecting another $105B (by December) of fresh debt into the market. As such, people are expecting costs (and prices in general) to go up because of the excess debt accumulation.

As far as the U.S trying to become an export economy. I cannot phantom how that would happen, when the U.S consumer is clearly the biggest consumer out there. I think China will have to be become net importer for the U.S to become a net exporter. Otherwise, world trade would collapse.

I doubt that that's what the Fed's real intentions are (perhaps they want the U.S to be more competitive on the export market, but not become a net exporter).

I tell you one thing though, with the debt deleveraging that is currently going here in the States, the Fed must counteract out with higher commodity prices to avoid deflation. There is no question commodity prices are going to still elevated for quite some time. The question is, how high is too high, and how long is too long? There is a very thin margin (fine line) between an asset class bubble and a cyclical bull market.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Winky View Post
Heh. I find it funny... I'm not too sure how the Fed is tackling this. But in the past 30 years or so, I know low interest rates usually coincide with lower commodity prices. This isn't the case right now.

But with such a low US Dollar, I wonder if the US is trying to become an export economy? I'm not too sure how that is going to work, to be honest. Considering that exports only account for 12% of its GDP. I know, up here in Canada, we did that during fiscal hardships but it was different (and it worked) because our exports make up a substantial amount of our GDP (>25%, I believe). If I remember correctly, consumption in the US account for 71%? Heh. I sure hope the US aren't trying to become exporters, not too sure how that would fair out.
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