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Gay marriage defeat in CA

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LOS ANGELES – In a heartbreaking defeat for the gay-rights movement, California voters put a stop to gay marriage, creating uncertainty about the legal status of 18,000 same-sex couples who tied the knot during a four-month window of opportunity opened by the state's highest court.

Passage of a constitutional amendment against gay marriage — in a state so often at the forefront of liberal social change — elated religious conservatives who had little else to cheer about in Tuesday's elections. Gay activists were disappointed and began looking for battlegrounds elsewhere in the back-and-forth fight to allow gays to wed.

"There's something deeply wrong with putting the rights of a minority up to a majority vote," said Evan Wolfson, a gay-rights lawyer who heads a group called Freedom to Marry. "If this were being done to almost any other minority, people would see how un-American this is."

Legal skirmishing began immediately, with gay-rights groups challenging the newly passed ban in court Wednesday and vowing to resist any effort to invalidate the same-sex marriages that took place following the state Supreme Court decision in May.

The amendment, which passed with 52 percent of the vote, overrides that court ruling by defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman. Thirty states now have adopted such measures, but the California vote marks the first time a state took away gay marriage after it had been legalized.

Gay-marriage bans also passed on Tuesday in Arizona and Florida, with 57 percent and 62 percent support, respectively, while Arkansas voters approved a measure aimed at gays that bars unmarried couples from serving as adoptive or foster parents.

Massachusetts and Connecticut are now the only states to allow same-sex marriage.

Even as the last votes were being counted in California, the American Civil Liberties Union and other opponents of the ban filed a challenge with the state Supreme Court. They contended that California's ballot cannot be used to undermine one group's access to rights enjoyed by other citizens.

The measure's passage casts a shadow of uncertainty over the marriages performed in the past four months. California State Attorney General Jerry Brown has said existing gay marriages will remain valid, but other legal experts said challenges are likely.

Amid the uncertainty, some gay couples continued applying for marriage licenses Wednesday. They succeeded in some jurisdictions and not others.

Jake Rowe, 27, and James Eslick, 29, were in the midst of getting their marriage license at Sacramento City Hall when someone from the clerk's office stopped the wedding Wednesday morning.

"I'm thoroughly surprised," Rowe said. "I thought Californians had come to the point where they realized discrimination wasn't right."

Some newlyweds took a positive approach.

"I'm really OK," said Diana Correia of Berkeley, who married her partner of 18 years, Cynthia Correia, on Sunday in front of their two children and 80 relatives and friends. "I hope the marriage holds, but we are already married in our hearts, so nobody can take that away."

Proposition 8 became the focus of the most expensive social-issues campaign in U.S. history, with the rival sides raising a combined $74 million. Religious groups, including the Mormon church and the Roman Catholic Church, played pivotal roles in pushing for the ban.

"People believe in the institution of marriage," said Frank Schubert, co-manager of the Yes on 8 campaign. "It's one institution that crosses ethnic divides, that crosses partisan divides."

Exit polls revealed dramatic demographic gaps in the gay-marriage vote. While 63 percent of voters under 30 opposed the ban, 59 percent of those 65 and older supported it. There were sharp racial discrepancies as well. Even as black voters overwhelmingly backed Barack Obama — a gay-rights supporter — in the presidential race, 70 percent of them voted against gay marriage, compared with 47 percent of white voters.

Denise Fernandez, a 57-year-old black woman from Sacramento, said she voted for Obama and Proposition 8. "I believe a Christian is held accountable," she said.

Obama had a nuanced position on the issue, saying he opposes gay marriage while also speaking out against Proposition 8.

Rea Carey, executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, did not directly criticize Obama, but said: "We'd hope for a day when candidates who are supportive of same-sex marriage are unafraid to clearly state that to the voters."

Gay-marriage proponents say New York, where the Democrats now control both the Legislature and the governor's office for the first time in 35 years, may be a promising battleground. New Jersey also is considered a gay-marriage prospect.

"We pick ourselves up and trudge on," said Kate Kendell, executive director of the National Center for Lesbian Rights. "There has been enormous movement in favor of full equality in eight short years. That is the direction this is heading, and if it's not today or it's not tomorrow, it will be soon."
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Take that! Ellen DeGENERATE and Rosie I ate too many Mcdonalds.
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meh, maybe Mass and Conn will go back too!
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You are a piece of work, Tommy. Mind your own damn business, and stop wasting time creating threads that will be deleted.
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I saw part of Ellen's show today at work in the lunch room..... She had a little black girl on there singing michael jacksons song and acted just like a adult she was 8 years old. Ellen goes,"you cant be eight years old you just make me want to snatch your cloths off and see whats under there". The little girl was like say what, and the audience calmed down for alittle I was laughing my a*s off....
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amazes me that tommy somehow has a family and kids. I just hope his "kids" are more mature than he is.... if he is who he says he is.
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You are a piece of work, Tommy. Mind your own damn business, and stop wasting time creating threads that will be deleted.
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Ok, so a mod just changed the title instead of deleting it. Congrats.

This measure wouldn't have passed without huge amounts of out of state money fueling it. And it's a waste of money. Same sex marriages before Prop 8 passed will remain valid, and this is going to be overturned, probably in the next election. The writing's on the wall...it's just a matter of time before this last form of acceptable discrimination is struck down.

If you're sure you're straight, what other people do behind closed doors shouldn't bother you. If you feel the need to police other people's relationships, I think there's something seriously wrong with you.
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"There's something deeply wrong with putting the rights of a minority up to a majority vote," said Evan Wolfson, a gay-rights lawyer who heads a group called Freedom to Marry. "If this were being done to almost any other minority, people would see how un-American this is."

Great point
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Rosie I ate too many Mcdonalds.


TOMMYGUN OR SHOULD I SAY TOMMYAK47 DA TEERRRRIORRRST!!!
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I am honestly surprised that we still have such government sanctioned civil rights violations going on.
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I am honestly surprised that we still have such government sanctioned civil rights violations going on.
Seriously. I was offended I even had the option to vote on this. But whatever...we all know which side is going to win in the long run, and I fully expect this to be overturned (at least in California) in 2012.
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Bunch of left wing freaks. I don't care what they do behind clothes doors, but its more than that now. They are pushing it down our throats and down our kids throats. The gay community is comparing it to the civil rights movement. If I were a black man or women, I would be highly upset.
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Bunch of left wing freaks. I don't care what they do behind clothes doors, but its more than that now. They are pushing it down our throats and down our kids throats. The gay community is comparing it to the civil rights movement. If I were a black man or women, I would be highly upset.
It's "behind closed doors" ..

It IS absolutely a civil right issue to those of us that believe that ALL men are created equal and have a right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness. As marriage is an institution with official legal significance, it must not discriminate against individuals solely on the basis of sexual orientation.
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Guess most of the country doesn't feel the same way. As long as that keeps happening, then it doesn't matter what you or I think.
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It's "behind closed doors" ..

It IS absolutely a civil right issue to those of us that believe that ALL men are created equal and have a right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness. As marriage is an institution with official legal significance, it must not discriminate against individuals solely on the basis of sexual orientation.
Give them your kids and let them do what they want with them. That's ultimately what they want to do.
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Give them your kids and let them do what they want with them. That's ultimately what they want to do.
What is ultimately what they want to do?...they want my kids? That's odd... I've heard many requests for equal rights, but 0 requests for my children. Are you sure about that?
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^
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Its sickining to hear this being called a civil rights movement. At least here in Florida, we voted against it.
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Sure they want our kids. Look how many schools are being pressured into teaching the gay lifestyle.
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