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Moses crossed the Sea of Reeds not the Red Sea

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Pharaoh, the ruler of Egypt, has finally agreed to allow the Israelite slaves to leave Egypt peacefully, after a series of "plagues" is visited upon the Egyptians by God, working through Moses and Aaron. God instructs Moses to lead them out, not "by way of the land of the Philistines".

Now as Moses leads the Istraelites to safety he parts the "RED SEA". That may not be what is refrenced in the symbol depicting the word. Translation of Yam Suph is "Sea of Reeds". The bible may have read it wrong. The symbol that depicts the translation is two waves on top with two swords in the middle with two waves on bottom. Meaning this was mistranslated the the location of the parting of the sea. Now Reeds can only grow in fresh water and where would this sea of reeds be located? How could moses part the sea and wash the Pharaohs army away? Well lets take a look at the map and events and causes leading up to the crossing. The sea of reeds that is depicted in many Egyptian manuscripts have refered them to Sabħat al Bardawīl a large lagoon on the north coast of the Sinai Peninsula. Now what caused this lagoon to suck large amounts of water up making the Istralites cross and shoot it back out destroying the army of the Egyptians? Well ever heard of a Tsunami? Water that is being sucked in from the coast causing rivers and lakes to drain for up to 15 minutes has not been new to science. It happened to be just in time. The eruption of Santorini was right in that time period. What else could cause the series of plagues includeing the water to be blood red. Well lets see the carbon that is mixed with oxgen causes a almost iron blood red effect lets not forget the nile is conncted to the medditerian the same place and time Santorini explodes. The last of plagues refered to fire and ice coming down blacking out the sky. Ash clouds can block out the sun causing water to be mixed with ash making it seem like fire and water falling. Now if the tsunami sucked the water out rivers when moses crossed once the tsunami hit the shore the water would return washing the army away. Watch a tsunami a video. Your probably thinking how in the world could that happen? If you havent notices a major fault line runs right through the meditranean. Looks at pic. With a major eruption like that its most likely a earthquake would follow. Now one amazing depciton of "moses crossing the sea" was found on three grave stones three of the stones marking the wealthy tombs of Grave Circle A in Mycenae depict the parting of the Sea of Reeds. The stones, Jacoboici claims, show a man on a chariot in pursuit of a man on foot carrying a long, straight object. Jacobovici proposes that the man on the chariot is Ahmose I, the man on foot is Moses, and the long, straight object is the staff of Aaron. Above and below the scene are rows of swirls which, in the Jacobovici's interpretation, represent the parting waters. He admits, however, that archaeologists have typically interpreted the scene as a chariot race, with the long, straight object being a spear or sword. All dating back to the same period. What a day of teaching you guysss.....


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It would also seem that Moses is parting my hair...
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This is another passage wrote down in scripts thousands of years before moses saved the Isrealites. The script confirms the sea of reeds exists both in diplaying the same symbol and also conferming the area. The same as moses great travel to the promise land.

Here is the translation of the script found in ancient egypt:


The Egyptian pharoah "Menenre II went after the slaves who were 'trapped' in a valley near the Reed Sea (near the 29th parallel), with the sea on one side, making it like a box canyon. Menenre II went with his horsemen and chariots to gather the slaves back and never returned, neither he nor his mounted army. That is what this record states. It does mention plagues in the narrative. It does state that the man who took the slaves out was a general of the previous King, but had fallen from grace..."
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I'm a Christian at heart, and if Moses parted the Sea of Reeds, then are you telling me that those Egyptian chariot hordes drowned in the Sea of Reeds? Now, how high is that Sea of Reed? From what I have heard on one History Channel show, that sea was no more than 3-4 feet deep. I feel bad for those dead Egyptians if it were a mere 3-4 feet of water that they drowned in. Heck, if I were one of those dead Egyptians, I'd come back to tell folks it was the Red Sea, there would seem to be more honour drowning in the Red Sea from an act of God. Just my opinion though.
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Please cite your research wisconsinstock1.
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I'm a Christian at heart, and if Moses parted the Sea of Reeds, then are you telling me that those Egyptian chariot hordes drowned in the Sea of Reeds? Now, how high is that Sea of Reed? From what I have heard on one History Channel show, that sea was no more than 3-4 feet deep. I feel bad for those dead Egyptians if it were a mere 3-4 feet of water that they drowned in. Heck, if I were one of those dead Egyptians, I'd come back to tell folks it was the Red Sea, there would seem to be more honour drowning in the Red Sea from an act of God. Just my opinion though.

Not to disagree with you, but just to respond to your post. The Sea of Reeds has that name for a reason. The reeds refer to papyrus similar to cattails. They can grow up to 8-10 ft. in water. Had Moses parted the Sea of Reeds and the water then fell back down on them they would have had a very difficult time traversing back to land amidst the reeds. Another possible explanation derived here is that the force of the water closing back in could have had some impact on their ability to find their way back to land.


However, waiting on wisconsinstock1's citation for his research, I will then provide various research of my own in response to claim.
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Ever heard of LOW TIDE?

What is that? 20-30 feet difference?






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Ever heard of LOW TIDE?







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Yes. I've also heard of LOW PRICE TIDE...

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I'm a Christian at heart, and if Moses parted the Sea of Reeds, then are you telling me that those Egyptian chariot hordes drowned in the Sea of Reeds? Now, how high is that Sea of Reed? From what I have heard on one History Channel show, that sea was no more than 3-4 feet deep. I feel bad for those dead Egyptians if it were a mere 3-4 feet of water that they drowned in. Heck, if I were one of those dead Egyptians, I'd come back to tell folks it was the Red Sea, there would seem to be more honour drowning in the Red Sea from an act of God. Just my opinion though.
Chariots wheels where known to get stuck in mud and Im guessing it was enough time for the water to wash away the soldiers. A perfect picture of this happening is shown on Grave Circle A in Mycenae a isrealite that must of died a wealthy man because in his tomb was egyptian gold and swords. Now Sabħat al Bardawīl the large lagoon on the north coast of the Sinai Peninsula has been drained of all its water in recent years due to a damn built up river so i can not tell you how deep it would have been for moses. A large part of my refrence comes from the history channel decoding the exodus. But I am trying to peice together more evidence in papers and books and history aticles. I believe in God just trying to figure out what really happened.


And tech low tide doesnt come back in 15 minutes and wash away a army filling the sea of reeds back up.
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There are three grave stones all tell the tale from beginning to end all dating back to the same time period of moses and eruption of Santorini. I will try and get all the graves stones if pics. The first grave is shown below the second shows moses facing the chariot. He positioned half way between the chariot almost like he standing on something or above ground. The third shows the water crash down on the chariot.

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And tech low tide doesnt come back in 15 minutes and wash away a army filling the sea of reeds back up.
It doesn't happen in fairy tales either....


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It doesn't happen in fairy tales either....


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Whether you believe in God or not tech, there is little question up to date as to the historical accuracy of the Bible and it's "fairy tales". Although it is virtually impossible to prove exactly what happened back that far because we weren't there, there is very good evidence based on historical texts, many of them not the Bible that line up with the Biblical accounts. Even the most liberal of archeologists will tell you that these people actually existed. In my observations, most fairy tales include fictional characters.
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There are three grave stones all tell the tale from beginning to end all dating back to the same time period of moses and eruption of Santorini. I will try and get all the graves stones if pics. The first grave is shown below the second shows moses facing the chariot. He positioned half way between the chariot almost like he standing on something or above ground. The third shows the water crash down on the chariot.

Whats your thoughts on this? This could be a huge part of the travel to the promise land.
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Here are some interesting thoughts on The Exodus Decoded (the official name of this study)...

http://www.heardworld.com/higgaion/?p=459


Here is some interesting archeology with detailed pictures from the Red Sea...

http://www.wyattarchaeology.com/red_sea.htm
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Not to disagree with you, but just to respond to your post. The Sea of Reeds has that name for a reason. The reeds refer to papyrus similar to cattails. They can grow up to 8-10 ft. in water. Had Moses parted the Sea of Reeds and the water then fell back down on them they would have had a very difficult time traversing back to land amidst the reeds. Another possible explanation derived here is that the force of the water closing back in could have had some impact on their ability to find their way back to land.


However, waiting on wisconsinstock1's citation for his research, I will then provide various research of my own in response to claim.
Brings out a good point BD, now from what you said there, I'd put the Egyptians mind at an IQ of 75. Would you stand on your chariot and die if your chariot was stuck and you saw the water racing back? Heck, just putting common sense in play, but I can make a safe bet that those Egyptians must have jumped off their chariots and made a dash for the shoreline. And if it was a low tide/high tide situation, you'd think the Egyptians would have made it safely to the shoreline within a few minutes as Tech tries to explain. Just remember to use some common sense, after all they were people just like us, and the advantage we have is that we can almost see their thoughts in each situation.

As for my point of view, I'd see the Egyptians making a dash for the shoreline, but I take it that God's hand quickly closed the Red Sea and at more than 20 feet, there's no way they made it up to the surface of the Sea in time to take another breath especially in their panicked situation. Just my view though.

You can actually test this.....using a 10 feet pool, try to hand in there and swim up to the surface if the watered had quickly filled the pool. Is that possible? I'd say so. If so, then why didn't any Egyptian survived? Barring common sense, I'd suggest that the Sea would have to have been pretty deep to the point where these ( probably very fit and healthy Egyptians) had no shot at making that dash to safety.

bring out the comments.

J
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Whats your thoughts on this? This could be a huge part of the travel to the promise land.
Well, we can clearly count the Moses Exodus out of fairy tale status then as Tech would put it. With such facts like that in the Bible, I'm sure it must be one of the most factual book on human history. Some how, I think those tablets were saved by God just to prove naysayers. Good day guys.

Jay
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Watch a tsunami a video. Your probably thinking how in the world could that happen? If you havent notices a major fault line runs right through the meditranean. Looks at pic. With a major eruption like that its most likely a earthquake would follow.

As you can see in the picture he leaves a wall of water in the background the whole time till the third grave stone, when the the chariot gets completly smashed by the water and the rider is killed. Another way to disprove the red sea is the second grave stone when moses is facing the chariot rider with staff towards the man. Now if you look at it closely moses it above the ground about half way between the horses chest and his mouth. Not enough height to be the red sea. I cant find a picture of the other two grave stones to show you but if you see them you will under stand. Now if the tsunami sucked the water out rivers when moses crossed once the tsunami hit the shore the water would return washing the army away with a large force.
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As you can see in the picture he leaves a wall of water in the background the whole time till the third grave stone, when the the chariot gets completly smashed by the water and the rider is killed. Another way to disprove the red sea is the second grave stone when moses is facing the chariot rider with staff towards the man. Now if you look at it closely moses it above the ground about half way between the horses chest and his mouth. Not enough height to be the red sea. I cant find a picture of the other two grave stones to show you but if you see them you will under stand. Now if the tsunami sucked the water out rivers when moses crossed once the tsunami hit the shore the water would return washing the army away with a large force.
You are judging the height of the sea by the height ratio on this grave stone? That is a classic no no. Tisk tisk.
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Whether you believe in God or not tech, there is little question up to date as to the historical accuracy of the Bible and it's "fairy tales". Although it is virtually impossible to prove exactly what happened back that far because we weren't there, there is very good evidence based on historical texts, many of them not the Bible that line up with the Biblical accounts. Even the most liberal of archeologists will tell you that these people actually existed. In my observations, most fairy tales include fictional characters.
God has nothing to do with it. It is the circular
logic trap of the bible is fact and truth because
God says so.... in the Bible.



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Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
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