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Difference between NAKED short selling and Short selling

post #1 of 5
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I see so many people getting NAKED short Selling and Short Selling mixed up. I am going to show you the diffrence.

Naked short selling is a case of short selling the shares without first arranging a borrow. The Securities Exchange Act of 1934 stipulates a settlement period up to three business days before a stock needs to be delivered,[3] generally referred to as "T+3 delivery".

The SEC states that "Naked short selling is not necessarily a violation of the federal securities laws or the Commission's rules," and clarifies that in some circumstances, it can contribute to market liquidity.[4] However, naked shorting to drive down share prices violates US law. In recent years, a number of companies have been accused of using naked shorts in order to make profits at the expense of share prices. To do this, the trader simply enters a naked short with no intention of ever delivering the shares.[3] A large enough short sale could cause the price to fall, as is the case with any stock being sold, so as long as the trade is large enough to move the share price, the short is likely to be profitable. Normally this would be risky; if the price did move back up for other reasons, the trader would be driving the price up with every purchase, a condition known as a "short squeeze".[citation needed] But as long as the buyer turns around and shorts it back into the market, the price continues dropping, making the trades profitable even though no one actually holds any of the shares.[3]

Legal naked shorting would normally be invisible in a liquid market, as long as the short sell is eventually delivered to the buyer. However, if the covers are impossible to find, the trades fail. A sudden rise in number of fail reports will alert the SEC that something irregular is going on. In some recent cases, it was claimed that the daily activity was larger than all of the available shares, which would normally be unlikely.[3]

Statistics on failures to deliver securities are sometimes used as evidence of naked short selling in specific stocks. However, the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission stated in January 2008 that "fails-to-deliver can occur for a number of reasons on both long and short sales. Therefore, fails-to-deliver are not necessarily the result of short selling, and are not evidence of abusive short selling or 'naked' short selling."[7]

However, Robert J. Shapiro, former undersecretary of commerce for economic affairs, has claimed that naked short selling has cost investors $100 billion and driven 1,000 companies into the ground.[8] Ralph Lambiase, head of the Connecticut Securities Agency and the NASAA, declared his disappointment at how the industry was handling the issue as a whole.[citation needed]
post #2 of 5
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NOW Short selling is a form of speculation that allows a trader to sell securities that he does not own, effectively taking a "negative position". They do this when they expect the value of the securities to decrease in the market, allowing them to sell securities at today's price and then buy the securities back when they decrease in value. With a large enough move in the price, the trader can purchase the securities, "covering" their position, for less money than they received for selling them earlier. The opposite case can also occur; if the price increases they will be forced to cover at a higher cost, a money-losing trade.

In order to make the initial sale, the regular method is first to "borrow" securities from a current shareholder, typically a bank or prime broker, agreeing to return them at some future date. The trader then delivers these borrowed shares to the buyer, a third party. The lender generally charges an interest fee on the share value during the time when the position is being held by the trader. When the trader wants to "unwind" the position, he buys back the shares in the market and return those to the lender. This short/borrow system ensures the trader has shares to deliver to his buyer, and the lender makes some money on a position that he was not actively trading.
post #3 of 5
how much percentage does a typical lender make off of lending stocks? like per a day or somethin?
post #4 of 5
This was posted by greatday8 in the GETC thread. It's informative and very enlightening.

I can see, to an extent, how naked shorting can affect some stocks, but keep in mind that this is not the cause for EVERY stock out there that has a group of longs who feel that their stock is being manipulated down by this practice.

Here is the video:
Darkside of the Looking Glass
http://www.businessjive.com/ Some of the noob longs in some of these threads simply have to realize that it's market sentiment and the thousands of traders just like you that determine the price of a stock. It's simply a wash, rinse, and repeat pattern that will drive a price up by either good news or a pump team, and driven right back down when the sell-off takes place. Yes, there are those stocks that happen to be a diamond in the rough. After all, a company starts somewhere and if they weren't a big enough private company or shell that goes IPO on the big boards, then the Pinks and OTC are where they start.

So again, yes, there are those legitimate companies out there trying to get off the ground and become successful with their brilliant product or service, but much, much more often than not most of these companies just do not have the sustainability to become successful or, in the worst case scenarios, outright scams.

So please, just take a minute to back away from the Kool-Aid some of you are sipping (some of the Kool-Aid in certain threads are so potent, I saw someone accidentally spill some and it burned a hole through the table) and take a realistic look at what typically happens with most Pinkies (some often referred to as Stinky Pinky's...lol) and OTC's. Always be guarded with your investment money, especially times like these when many are having to stretch their budget out farther than what we have become accustomed to. And especially times like these when people become desperate to hit that lotto jackpot play and delude themselves into investing more than what they can actually afford to lose. I certainly don't want to lose money and I truly don't want anyone here to either. This is a fairly close knit community here at HSM where most get along and I've grown fond of some people and learned a great deal and respect certain other people. Thank you if you know who you are. And if you mistake yourself for one of those people, thank yourself anyways...lol.

Look, I certainly don't want to appear as though I am riding on a high horse belittling people or condescend to anyone. I am as much vulnerable to the same things noobs often make the mistake of doing. I have been known in the past to chase a stock on the rise. In my earlier days, it was CNUV (lost money after I sold it), BSGC (I still like their product, though), GMFX (but stubbornly held on to it long enough to see it rise again and make a decent profit), HCFE (R/S'd and currently trades under the symbol HCFI, wiping away a substantial chunk of my original shares), THRI (also R/S'd...this was one of my worst decisions, even more so than HCFI in that I sold it as a market order and was bought up for, believe it or not, I have the paperwork to prove it, .00001...that's right, 5 decimal points!)

Fortunately, I have my share of winners too. And they happen to be Big Board stocks. Some of the notable trades were of IMH (one of my early big profiters which sent me creaming in my pants...TMI I know), LNG (that was also a fun trade), SCA (another very fun, but played out too long, play...lol), TMA (that one scared the crap out of me...lol), and FMT (now trading in the Pinks as FMNTQ and only made out because I averaged down and got lucky with a run-up). And currently holding CRZ with a not too shabby unrealized profit.

I also have my share of big board losers too. MCEL was a notable one. HOTJ (now trading in the pinks) I lost a little. MCZ also. And my most current disaster, IMB...God this one is kicking my ass. And IMB is one that I totally disregarded what I typically preach. And that is not taking profits when it presented itself, and now I'm a bagholder. I was just too confident, or blindly ignorant, that it would recover and I was just so sure that all I had to do was hold out and I would come out smelling like roses adding another stock to my lists of triumphs. And this was a much longer running and large successful business than what some of the companies in these threads people are speculating on, and holding. It just goes to show you that if the established companies in these market conditions today are highly speculative, then many, if not most of these Pinkies and OTC's are highly, highly speculative and volatile.

Well...sorry to bore everyone with my life story there. But I hope that I reached at least one of you and that some would look to the people who have won and lost in this game and learn from their mistakes in addition to learning what works and what it takes to make money consistently, not just hoping for that one big lotto play that most likely will never happen.

Good luck to everyone and have a great trading day!
post #5 of 5
in the news they said...

SEC Eases `Naked-Short' Ban for Equity, Option Market Makers

So does that mean next week will have a lot of shorting going on again. Which will drive down the exchange again?
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