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Today's Markets

 

As of 8:34 a.m. ET, Dow Jones Industrial Average futures fell 77 points to 12757, S&P 500 futures dipped 8.9 points to 1349 and Nasdaq 100 futures slumped 11.8 points to 2607.

 

JPMorgan revealed after the close of trading that the $2 billion loss taken by its unit tasked with hedging the bank's risks may cost the firm some $800 million in the second quarter -- four times higher than the original estimate. The unexpected loss tarnishes the reputation of the biggest U.S. bank, and its chief executive, Jamie Dimon, who frequently touts the company's powerful balance sheet. 

"We think the overall financial impact ... is not the main issue," analysts at Nomura wrote in a note to clients. "What really hurts is the negative impact on [JPMorgan's] reputational premium
that is likely to hit the stock."

 

Shares of the Dow component were off some 8% in pre-market action. Other big banks, including Bank of America (BAC: 7.70, -0.03, -0.39%), Citigroup (C: 30.65, +0.20, +0.66%) and Wells Fargo (WFC: 33.19, +0.56, +1.72%) saw their stock prices suffer as a result as well. 

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mid next week it will be back where it was.. jmo. infact im buying options.

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they better hurry then if they want a deal on their own stock
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done.. now i sit ..

post #365 of 456
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This $37 level is a 50% pull back from the Nov low to recent high.

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Fitch downgrades JPM on negative watch
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Fitch downgrades JPM on negative watch

Fitch Downgrades JPMorgan to 'A+/F1'; L-T IDR on Watch Negative
3 minutes ago - BusinessWire via Comtex


Fitch Ratings has downgraded JPMorgan Chase & Co.'s (JPM) Long-term Issuer Default Rating (IDR) to 'A+' from 'AA-' and its Short-term IDR to 'F1' from 'F1+'. Fitch has placed all parent and subsidiary long-term ratings on Rating Watch Negative.

Fitch has also downgraded JPM's viability rating (VR) to 'a+' from 'aa-' and placed it on Rating Watch Negative. In addition, Fitch affirmed JPM's '1' support rating and 'A' support rating floor. A full list of rating actions follows at the end of this release.

The rating actions follow JPM's disclosure yesterday of a $2 billion trading loss on its synthetic credit positions in its Chief Investment Office (CIO). The positions were intended to hedge JPM's overall credit exposure, particularly during periods of credit stress.

Fitch views the size of loss as manageable. That said, the magnitude of the loss and ongoing nature of these positions implies a lack of liquidity. It also raises questions regarding JPM's risk appetite, risk management framework, practices and oversight; all key credit factors. Fitch believes the potential reputational risk and risk governance issues raised at JPM are no longer consistent with an 'AA-' rating.

Still, at the 'A+' level JPM's ratings continue to reflect its dominant domestic franchise as well as its solid and growing international franchise in investment banking and commercial banking. Capital remains sound and compares well with global peers, providing the bank with sufficient cushion to absorb a material idiosyncratic loss event. Fitch believes JPM continues to be well prepared to meet the minimum standards under Basel III.

Like other global trading and universal banks (GTUBs), the complexity of JPM's operations makes it difficult to fully assess the risk exposure. This trading loss is precisely the kind of risk factor inherent in the GTUB business model. Fitch believes JPM, like other GTUBs, is in a highly confidence sensitive business and the longer-term implications for the firm's reputation are not yet known. As a result, Fitch believes JPM's ratings remain at heightened risk for downgrade until the firm's risk governance practices, appetite, oversight and reputational impact can be further reviewed.

In addition, ongoing volatility and further losses are likely to arise from these positions as the firm unwinds them, creating some uncertainty. The firm's Value at Risk (VaR) methodology was also changed in first-quarter 2012 (1Q'12) but subsequently reverted back to the original methodology. This resulted in a near doubling of VaR to $170 million, from 4Q'11 VaR of $88 million. The variance emanated from the CIO VaR and a negative $47 million diversification benefit. Fitch believes this also highlights some problems with modeling related to this portfolio.

Resolution of the Rating Watch Negative will conclude upon a further review of how JPM has addressed what Fitch views to be risk management and oversight deficiencies that allowed such a loss to occur. Fitch will also attempt to assess the future earnings and capital impact from these exposures. Fitch will also review the potential implications for market confidence in JPMand reputational damage as a result of this loss on both its liquidity profile and counterparty and dealings.

Fitch believes the Rating Watch resolution could result in a further downgrade of one notch if the risks are not appropriately sized and addressed. The complexity and opacity of these positions may also result in lingering concerns around the firm.

A return to a Stable Outlook will be dependent upon Fitch's ability to gain comfort with the risk management concerns, potential ongoing nature of these synthetic credit positions and volatility they may create, as well as the reputation issues raised.

Fitch has placed all of the ratings below (with the exception of the short-term and commercial paper ratings) on Rating Watch Negative.
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NY Fed knew about JPMorgan's trading loss -source

NEW YORK | Fri May 11, 2012 4:57pm EDT

NEW YORK May 11 (Reuters) - The Federal Reserve Bank of New York had been aware of JPMorgan Chase & Co's big trading loss and is currently monitoring the situation, according to a source close to the situation.

The Fed bank, which is JPMorgan's primary regulator, aims to ensure banks are sufficiently capitalized to withstand such trading mistakes, not to prevent them, the source said.
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lol this is all irrelevant .. 2B is nothing .. even 4B the worse it can get is nothing.

also they will not realize these losses, and hold on to the CDS for years.. so does it matter? nope.

 

The media is retarded hyping this.. when they made 5.4B in the 1Q and have like 46B or 146B on the books in CASH.

yeah.. the leeches come out to scream regulation..

 

Fitch your a slime of a company.


Edited by mjoke - 5/11/12 at 7:35pm
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lol this is all irrelevant .. 2B is nothing .. even 4B the worse it can get is nothing.
also they will not realize these losses, and hold on to the CDS for years.. so does it matter? nope.

I agree with that, although it is still pretty shocking (not at all surprising) that their execs instructed traders to reduce their credit risk exposure and that this directive lead straight to the ridiculous losses. It's almost unfathomable, you'd think they would simply need to counterbalance existing positions. I guess someone miscalculated, like dropping an elephant on the see-saw when there was a 3 yr old sitting on the other side. Gonna leave a mark.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304070304577398490966089810.html?mod=djemalertNEWS
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Buyers at the $36 level are feeling better today, hitting $37 now
 

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I picked up some june calls last week..

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Invivitation whole world to short JPM.

Easy profit from shorting JPM.

 

We are targeting to short JPM to usd$15.

 

Short toxic bank all the way down and make easy money

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Invivitation whole world to short JPM.

Easy profit from shorting JPM.

 

We are targeting to short JPM to usd$15.

 

Short toxic bank all the way down and make easy money

 

 

There is nothing toxic about their $2+ trillion in assets.  I'd rethink that target if I were you.

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Thinking of picking some calls. Any thoughts?
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Thinking of picking some calls. Any thoughts?

 

Personally I would only look at JPM on a longer term basis.  The threat of tighter regs could suppress any rebound here.

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Originally Posted by gujiaksai View Post

Invivitation whole world to short JPM.

Easy profit from shorting JPM.

 

We are targeting to short JPM to usd$15.

 

Short toxic bank all the way down and make easy money

 

Good luck with that, not likely.  Going long here expecting to be back mid-40's by EOY.

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in 4 weekly 33$ calls

@ 1.10

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in 4 weekly 33$ calls

@ 1.10

out @ 1.52

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nice play Binks thumbup.gif

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