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Day Trading Margin Requirements: Know the Rules

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Summary of the Day-Trading Margin Requirements



The rules adopt a new term "pattern day trader," which includes any margin customer that day trades (buys then sells or sells short then buys the same security on the same day) four or more times in five business days, provided the number of day trades are more than six percent of the customer's total trading activity for that same five-day period. Under the rules, a pattern day trader must maintain minimum equity of $25,000 on any day that the customer day trades. The required minimum equity must be in the account prior to any day-trading activities. If the account falls below the $25,000 requirement, the pattern day trader will not be permitted to day trade until the account is restored to the $25,000 minimum equity level.

Frequently Asked Questions

Why the change?

The primary purpose of the day-trading margin rules is to require that certain levels of equity be deposited and maintained in day-trading accounts, and that these levels be sufficient to support the risks associated with day-trading activities. It was determined that the prior day-trading margin rules did not adequately address the risks inherent in certain patterns of day trading and had encouraged practices, such as the use of cross-guarantees, that did not require customers to demonstrate actual financial ability to engage in day trading.



Most margin requirements are calculated based on a customer's securities positions at the end of the trading day. A customer who only day trades does not have a security position at the end of the day upon which a margin calculation would otherwise result in a margin call. Nevertheless, the same customer has generated financial risk throughout the day. The day-trading margin rules address this risk by imposing a margin requirement for day trading that is calculated based on a day trader's largest open position (in dollars) during the day, rather than on his or her open positions at the end of the day.



The rules permit a pattern day trader to trade up to four times the maintenance margin excess in the account as of the close of business of the previous day. If a pattern day trader exceeds the day-trading buying power limitation, the firm will issue a day-trading margin call to the pattern day trader. The pattern day trader will then have, at most, five business days to deposit funds to meet this day-trading margin call. Until the margin call is met, the day-trading account will be restricted to day-trading buying power of only two times maintenance margin excess based on the customer's daily total trading commitment. If the day-trading margin call is not met by the fifth business day, the account will be further restricted to trading only on a cash available basis for 90 days or until the call is met.



In addition, the rules require that any funds used to meet the day-trading minimum equity requirement or to meet any day-trading margin calls remain in the patter day trader's account for two business days following the close of business on any day when the deposit is required. The rules also prohibit the use of cross-guarantees to meet any of the day-trading margin requirements.

Were investors given an opportunity to comment on the rules?

The rules were approved by the NASD Regulation Board of Directors and then filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC). On February 18, 2000, the SEC published NASD's proposed rules for comment in the Federal Register. The SEC also published for comment substantially similar rule changes that were proposed by the New York Stock Exchange (NYSE). The SEC received over 250 comment letters in response to the publication of these rule changes. Both the NASD and NYSE filed with the SEC written responses to these comment letters. On February 27, 2001, the SEC approved both the NASD and NYSE day-trading margin rules. As noted above, the NASD rules became operational on September 28, 2001.
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Definitions

What is a day trade?


Day trading refers to buying then selling or selling short then buying the same security on the same day. Just purchasing a security, without selling it later that same day, would not be considered a day trade.



Does the rule affect short sales?

As with current margin rules, all short sales must be done in a margin account. If you sell short and then buy to cover on the same day, it is considered a day trade.



Does the rule apply to day trading options?

Yes. The day trading margin rule applies to day trading in any security, including options.



What is a pattern day trader?

You will be considered a pattern day trader if you trade 4 or more times in 5 business days and your day-trading activities are greater than 6 percent of your total trading activity for that same five-day period.



Your brokerage firm also may designate you as a pattern day trader if it knows or has a reasonable basis to believe that you are a pattern day trader. For example, if the firm provided day trading training to you before opening your account, it could designate you as a pattern day trader.



Would I still be considered a pattern day trader if I engage in four or more day trades in one week, then refrain from day trading the next week?

In general, once your account has been coded as a pattern day trader, the firm will continue to regard you as a pattern day trader even if you do not day trade for a five day period. This is because the firm will have a "reasonable belief" that you are a pattern day trader based on your prior trading activities. However, we understand that you may change your trading strategy. You should contact your firm if you have decided to reduce or cease your day trading activities to discuss the appropriate coding of your account.

Day Trading Minimum Equity Requirement

What is the minimum equity requirement for a pattern day trader?


The minimum equity requirements on any day in which you trade is $25,000. The required $25,000 must be deposited in the account prior to any day-trading activities and must be maintained at all times.



Why is the minimum equity requirement for pattern day traders higher than the current minimum equity requirement of $2,000?

The minimum equity requirement of $2,000 was established in 1974, before the technology existed to allow for electronic day trading by the retail investor. As a result, the $2,000 minimum equity requirement was not created to apply to day-trading activities Rather, the $2,000 minimum equity requirement was developed for the buy-and-hold investor who retained securities collateral in his/her account, where the securities collateral was (and still is) subject to a 25% regulatory maintenance margin requirement for long equity securities. This collateral could be sold out if the securities declined substantially in value and were subject to a margin call. The typical day trader, however, is flat at the end of the day (i.e., he is neither long nor short securities). Therefore, there is no collateral for the brokerage firm to sell out to meet margin requirements and collateral must be obtained by other means. Accordingly, the higher minimum equity requirement for day trading provides the brokerage firm a cushion to meet any deficiencies in the account resulting from day trading.

How was the $25,000 requirement determined?

The credit arrangements for day trading margin accounts involve two parties -- the brokerage firm processing the trades and the customer. The brokerage firm is the lender and the customer is the borrower. In determining whether the existing $2,000 minimum equity requirement was sufficient for the additional risks incurred with day trading, we obtained input from a number of brokerage firms, since these are the entities extending the credit. The majority of firms felt that in order to take on the increased intra-day risk associated with day trading, they wanted a $25,000 "cushion" in each account in which day trading occurred. In fact, firms are free to impose a higher equity requirement than the minimum specified in the rules, and many of them already had imposed a $25,000 requirement on day trading accounts before the day trading margin rules were revised.
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Does the $25,000 minimum equity requirement have to be 100% cash - or could it be a combination of cash and securities?


You can meet the $25,000 minimum equity requirement with a combination of cash and eligible securities.



Can I cross-guarantee my accounts to meet the minimum equity requirement?

No, you can't use a cross-guarantee to meet any of the day-trading margin requirements. Each day-trading account is required to meet to minimum equity requirement independently, using only the financial resources available in the account.



What happens if the equity in my account falls below the minimum equity requirement?

If the account falls below the $25,000 requirement, you will not be permitted to day trade until you deposit cash or securities in the account to restore the account to the $25,000 minimum equity level.



I'm always flat at the end of the day. Why do I have to fund my account at all? Why can't I just trade stocks, have the brokerage firm mail me a check for my profits or, if I lose money, I'll mail the firm a check for my losses?

This would in effect be a 100% loan to you to purchase equity securities. It is saying you should be able to trade solely on the firm's money without putting up any of your own funds. This type of activity is prohibited, as it would put your firm (and indeed the U.S. securities industry) at substantial risk.



Why can't I leave my $25,000 in my bank?


The money must be in the brokerage account because that is where the trading and risk is occurring. These funds are required to support the risks associated with day-trading activities. It is important to note that the Securities Investor Protection Corporation (SIPC) may protect up to $500,000 for each customer's securities account, with a limitation of $100,000 in claims for cash.

Day Trading Buying Power

What is my day-trading buying power under the rules?


You can trade up to four times your maintenance margin excess as of the close of business of the previous day.



It is important to note that your firm may impose a higher minimum equity requirement and/or may restrict your trading to less than four times the day trader's maintenance margin excess. You should contact your brokerage firm to obtain more information on whether it imposes more stringent margin requirements.

Day Trading Margin Calls

What if I exceed my day-trading buying power?


If you exceed your day-trading buying power limitations, your brokerage firm will issue a day-trading margin call to you. You will have, at most, 5 business days to deposit funds to meet this day-trading margin call. Until the margin call is met, your day-trading account will be restricted to day-trading buying power of only two times maintenance margin excess based on your daily total trading commitment. If the day-trading margin call is not met by the fifth business day, the account will be further restricted to trading only on a cash available basis for 90 days or until the call is met.

Accounts

Does this rule change apply to cash accounts?


Day trading in a cash account is generally prohibited. Day trades can occur in a cash account only to the extent the trades do not violate the free-riding prohibition of Federal Reserve Board's Regulation T. In general, failing to pay for a security before you sell the security in a cash account violates the free-riding prohibition. If you free-ride, your broker is required to place a 90-day freeze on the account.



Does this rule apply only if I use leverage?

No, the rule applies to all day trades, whether you use leverage (margin) or not. For example, many options contacts require that you pay for the option in full, that is at 100%. As such, there is no leverage used to purchase the options. Nonetheless, if you engage in numerous options transactions during the day you are still subject to intra-day risk. You may not be able to realize the profit on the transaction that you had hoped for and may indeed incur substantial loss due to a pattern of day-trading options. Again, the day trading margin rule is designed to require that funds be in the account where the trading and risk is occurring.



Can I withdraw funds that I use to meet the minimum equity requirement or day trading margin call immediately after they are deposited?


No, any funds used to meet the day-trading minimum equity requirement or to meet any day-trading margin calls must remain in your account for two business days following the close of business on any day when the deposit is required.


http://www.finra.org/InvestorInforma...mation/p005906
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Thanks simon for clearing allout forex.
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Simon,

I don't quite understand the details. Could I ask a question regarding my case?

If I have more than $25000 equity value or cash in broakage account at all times, let's say $30,000, and I have a margin account,


Can I buy and sell same stock for $30,000 two rounds every day in all brokers?

My two rounds would be one of the combinations a)(a), (a)(b), (b)(a),(b)(b)
(a) buy $30,000 stock, sell all the shares
(b) short $30,000, cover it



Kevin
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ufo111,

If you have $30k per se, with margin, then they generally give you 2-4 times your cash to trade...so if you were with Choicetrade for instance, then you have $120k to trade.

For the moment let's forget we know that it's dangerous to overleverage without trading skills.

With the $30k or $120k margin, you can trade the full $30k which is your cash, or all $120k which is 1/4 your money and 3/4 their money.

You could trade 100 times in and out per day if you want. It doesn't matter.

I overtraded so bad one day that my commissions were about $600 I started in the hole about $10k and worked all the ups and downs to come back to only a $1k loss on the day, plus the $600 in fees.
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Thanks for the information provided on intraday trading.
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According to think or swim you if you are canadian you can day trade all you want. They told me that i don't need to worry about that rule because im canadian. Don't know if it's completely true but i don't think their support team will be wrong hopefully.
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Hello Friends,

I am also a trader and trading this market from 5 years. Day trading is all about transactions done on the same day means purchased stocks and executed the same day. I am also trading and seeing the market positions i to day trading also. For day trading i have nice amount in my trading account. Because day trading is very risky cannot what the market will show you and you have a open position so thi requires lots of margin in your account.

I would suggest that if going for intra day trading play safe with market movements. Put a buy during the market movement and execute it with the market movements. When i heard about intra day trading i went for it but i had loss. then i learned about it and traded again i got some profit then again the other done intra day trading some profit again i came to know the strategy of intra day marketing and now doing it safely. The loss which i got while intra day trading that helped me to learn about intr day trading and make my own intra day trading strategy.

While trading i don't take help pf my broker or any friends. I don't discuss with any one while i am trading. I only trade for 3-4 hours and after that i talk to my friends or relatives.
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i iz love being canadian no 25k Dallaz rule ,
thx for mentioning that tronik
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what happens if your termed a pattern daytrader? How can you get this off your "record"?

I can only make 4 trades total in a week even if i only buy the same company once?
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what happens if your termed a pattern daytrader? How can you get this off your "record"?

I can only make 4 trades total in a week even if i only buy the same company once?
I believe if you have been "flagged", at the broker's discretion your account may be suspended from trading for up to 90 days.

You can make as many trades as you wish, with practically no limit, so long as you are using free funds, or "settled funds" in order to trade. The rule applies to a singular security being traded multiple times in the same 5 day rolling period.

I actually had a question myself related to this that I'll be posting in a sec. Hope that answered your question though, black95...
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Yeah, without $25k you can make 3 daytrades per 5 market days, but that is in a margin account. In a cash account, you can make as many daytrades as you want, as long as you are using settled funds. Like Foss said, option trades settle in 1 day but stock trades settle in 3.

If you had a cash account with $5k in it and made 10 daytrades in one day for $500 apiece, the next day you would have all your money available to trade/ daytrade again.
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So...just so I have this clear and perhaps this can be laid to rest and the thread can be back on-topic. I was under the impression that a "daytrade" under the Daytrade rules guidelines specifies those 3 round trips on a single security. I thought you can trade as many times as you want in any given day with settled funds on as many stocks as you want, but if you traded a single security, let's say in this example GS, if you traded GS more than 3 times in less than 5 days, without $25k in the account you would be flagged as a daytrader. Correct? But the way I understood your wording, you're saying that as long as there are settled funds in the account for me to use to trade I can daytrade GS as often as I wish. Please clear this up for me. Thanks.
Can anyone address this?

This explanation didn't quite make it clear for me either...but thanks foss.

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If you buy and sell same security the same day - it considered as 1 day trade, if you buy and sell another security the same day - it considered as 2nd day trade and so on, or if you buy and sell one security the same day and the next day buy and sell another security the same day - it considered as 2 day trades
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I believe if you have been "flagged", at the broker's discretion your account may be suspended from trading for up to 90 days.

You can make as many trades as you wish, with practically no limit, so long as you are using free funds, or "settled funds" in order to trade. The rule applies to a singular security being traded multiple times in the same 5 day rolling period.

I actually had a question myself related to this that I'll be posting in a sec. Hope that answered your question though, black95...
I traded with unsettled funds and now I have to wait 3 days after I sell to make a trade.
Trust me! I couldn't get into my own pick NVD and I lost out on a lot of money because of it.
They put me on a 90 day bad boys list, in a month or so then I can trade daily again, I won't have to wait for my funds to settle.
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Can anyone address this?

This explanation didn't quite make it clear for me either...but thanks foss.
First off, a daytrade is trading any security for a round trip in the same day. So a buy of GS on Monday and then a sell of GS Monday constitutes a daytrade. The opposite is true for shorting. A sell and then buy to cover in the same day is also a daytrade. You are only allowed 3 of those per 5 market days. It doesn't matter if those 3 were all GS (the same security) or not.

Now this always applies to Margin accounts but what some have discovered is that for cash accounts, you aren't held to this restriction. The restriction you are held to you is you have to trade with settled funds. With a Margin account, your funds settle instantly. With a cash account, funds from stock trades clear in 3 days from the close of the trade. Option funds on the other hand clear the next day, and this is how many have been able to "daytrade" options in a cash account. If you have $5k in your cash account and spend it all in one day on 5 daytrades (or however many daytrades), all those funds clear by the next day so you can do it again. Just don't spend in one day more than the amount of settled funds you have.

The punishment for violating the PDT rule in a margin account is usually a warning first. The second time will most likely result in your margin privileges being taken away and your account becomes a cash account.
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I traded with unsettled funds and now I have to wait 3 days after I sell to make a trade.
Trust me! I couldn't get into my own pick NVD and I lost out on a lot of money because of it.
They put me on a 90 day bad boys list, in a month or so then I can trade daily again, I won't have to wait for my funds to settle.
You know, a funny thing happened to me with Sharebuilder, which is what I believe you use also.

I made bank on a trade a little while back, and I decided to withdraw almost all of it to spend on personal stuff and bills. Anyways, my account with them was minuscule compared to what I had it at. I should also note that I have a Zecco account that I use even more frequently than Sharebuilder because 1. their fees are cheaper, and 2. they don't restrict nearly the amount of stocks to trade that Sharebuilder does and in fact, I have yet to come across a stock I couldn't trade with Zecco whereas Sharebuilder will allow very few OTC stocks tradeable.

Anyways, shortly after I withdrew my profits from Sharebuilder they sent me an email telling me that I now have the authority to trade unsettled funds. So, as soon as I sell a security I have the ability to turn around immediately and buy into another trade. They didn't grant me a margin account, but I find it interesting that they allowed me to do this. I wonder if it was a feature to lure me back into depositing more money into my account or what. I'm sure that the Daytrader's rule still applies and I cannot make 4 trades on the same security in a 5 day rolling period.

I just thought what they did for me was kind of interesting though.
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I traded with unsettled funds and now I have to wait 3 days after I sell to make a trade.
Trust me! I couldn't get into my own pick NVD and I lost out on a lot of money because of it.
They put me on a 90 day bad boys list, in a month or so then I can trade daily again, I won't have to wait for my funds to settle.
This doesn't make sense. You said you traded with unsettled funds (this means you had a cash account) and you got in trouble for it and were put on a 90 day probation. Then you mention when you get off of probation, you'll be able to trade on unsettled funds again, which is what you got in trouble for in the first place.

My guess is you actually have a margin account and you got in trouble for breaking the PDT rule, in which case you got bumped down to a cash account for 90 days, which is standard protocol. If you do have a cash account and got in trouble for using unsettled funds (free ride), then I would recommend not doing it again.

Margin account = no settling period but you have to adhere to the PDT (3 in 5)

Cash account = no PDT rule but you have the settling period for closing trades
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This doesn't make sense. You said you traded with unsettled funds (this means you had a cash account) and you got in trouble for it and were put on a 90 day probation. Then you mention when you get off of probation, you'll be able to trade on unsettled funds again, which is what you got in trouble for in the first place.

My guess is you actually have a margin account and you got in trouble for breaking the PDT rule, in which case you got bumped down to a cash account for 90 days, which is standard protocol. If you do have a cash account and got in trouble for using unsettled funds (free ride), then I would recommend not doing it again.

Margin account = no settling period but you have to adhere to the PDT (3 in 5)

Cash account = no PDT rule but you have the settling period for closing trades
Yeah! That's what they called it a free ride.
I guess I don't even know what I did exactly.
Can you tell me what I did that was wrong and how to avoid it in the future?
I did have a margin account, you are exactly right.
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Hmmm...how could it have been a free ride if you have a margin account?
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Hmmm...how could it have been a free ride if you have a margin account?
I talked to a guy yesterday at sharebuilder and asked if they could lift it and he said they have no control over it, because the sec or gov implements it.
I am going to switch though, I may go to Scottrade or Zecco.
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