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post #121 of 375
This is an example of typical Christian Logic.
You have cancer, we will pray for you.
You survive (prayer works)
You die, then (it was your time to go, it was meant to be, it was in Gods plan)
You see you cant argue with a retard...its pointless
Blind faith is laughable...
post #122 of 375
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Originally Posted by scotchfaster View Post
Incidentally, I think this news item shows one of the many downsides of accepting Pascal's Wager. Don't click if you're squeamish.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...-mostviewedbox

That certainly is......different...

And here I was thinking it would be the link a few weeks ago to the story about the 12y-o religious kid who went to court so he did not have to go thru modern medical treatment for his leukemia...he wanted to be allowed to let God to treat his disease and not have his parents or the state laws force treatment upon him since he was a minor...

He won....he died....
-w
post #123 of 375
oh yeah not to tick god off, But why are we limited to one thread on each stock or mods freak out but God apparently gets to have as many as he wants???
post #124 of 375
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oh yeah not to tick god off, But why are we limited to one thread on each stock or mods freak out but God apparently gets to have as many as he wants???
Because he's God....thats why.

We may not be right about a stock and its no big deal--but if we censor God and he exists and we limited his topic to ONE subject--well none of us wants to be on the end of that wrath...
-w
post #125 of 375
lol kudos for the answer. i can see it now, but god i didnt limit you to one thread on hotstockmarket.com

lmao
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Originally Posted by timmyb199 View Post
lol kudos for the answer. i can see it now, but god i didnt limit you to one thread on hotstockmarket.com

lmao
exactly!

remember--we may be dealing with a wrathful vengeful God who is keen on wiping out people whenever he feels like it or it amuses him.....but he loves good Press and publicity.

-w
post #127 of 375
Haha, a Pascal's Wager thread. I love it. Missionsman, you seem pretty confident in your choice of religion, saying, "When you stand before God." What makes you think such a creature exists?

What will you say when you stand before the Flying Spaghetti Monster one day and He asks you why you didn't believe in him, despite His obvious omnipresence?

Will you explain that you thought it was a mere coincidence that Chinese people are short and also invented pasta, despite me repeatedly telling you that it is because they are more blessed than the rest of us because they are being held down by more noodly appendages?

How will you explain to FSM your unbelief in the inverse relationship between the number of pirates and the average temperature of Earth?

How will you explain yourself to the many Roman gods and goddesses that you believed in a made-up god whose myths made no sense and were mostly stolen from the true stories that were once told of them instead?

How will you explain yourself to Vishnu, Shiva, Buddha, Indra, and all the other Hindu gods and goddesses, if you should stand before them instead of your own perception of the intangible? Do you eat beef? I hear they frown on that.

What if God says, "No, I'm sorry, the correct answer was Mormon."?

What if God is a shoe, or a 9-iron, or a George Foreman grill (an heavenly invention), or a slice of salami, or a teacup orbiting Jupiter, or an invisible pink unicorn, or something else that you never would have guessed? What if it was King Kong who really died for your sins? Would you try to explain to the creator of the universe how silly it would have been for you to believe in it as it really is? I don't think that would make most of the gods we have imagined very happy. As for whatever deity might actually exist, who knows? It could be vengeful, or it could be the sort of being that doesn't really care.

What if God is more or less as you believe Him to be, but he favors atheists and agnostics because they don't hide behind a book but rather use what they're given to come to rational conclusions about the world? What if having the right god isn't what impresses God at all, and those who don't believe until they have a good reason to are the ones who ultimately benefit?

What if your damned for eternity for using one word when you mean another, just once?

I can invent God concepts all night if you want me to. What makes you think your god exists and no one else's does? Knowing that the possibilities for God are endless, there are three reasonable conclusions one can draw about such a being. 1) God most likely doesn't exist because God must be infinitely complex, and the simplest answer is usually the most correct. 2) God may or may not exist, but there is no way to know in what form because there are so many possibilities, so we should just live our lives to the fullest and see at the end. 3) Pick the one that seems the most logical. If a more logical concept should arise, change your beliefs. This third option is still dividing by infinity, though, so it doesn't really matter either way. 0/∞ = 1/∞ = 0. There is no chance of choosing the correct religion. I strongly suggest that you live this life like it's the only one you've got, because that could very well be the case.
post #128 of 375
Thread Starter 
Thanks! This one got me laughing also!
You'r all great on here and pretty funny too!



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Originally Posted by wolf825 View Post
Because he's God....thats why.

We may not be right about a stock and its no big deal--but if we censor God and he exists and we limited his topic to ONE subject--well none of us wants to be on the end of that wrath...
-w
post #129 of 375
Thread Starter 
[QUOTE=orangustang;1582068]Haha, a Pascal's Wager thread. I love it. Missionsman, you seem pretty confident in your choice of religion, saying, "When you stand before God." What makes you think such a creature exists? Because i know Him personally, that's why.
What will you say when you stand before the Flying Spaghetti Monster one day and He asks you why you didn't believe in him, despite His obvious omnipresence? The flying spaghetti monster is really a demon and all demon spirits are subject to us in the name of Jesus. In other words we Christians have authority over them, so he will be no problem. I know that the Spirit of God ( Holy Spirit) lives in me!

Will you explain that you thought it was a mere coincidence that Chinese people are short and also invented pasta, despite me repeatedly telling you that it is because they are more blessed than the rest of us because they are being held down by more noodly appendages? I won't have to explain anything, because, this little noodle headed demon will be no where around!
How will you explain to FSM your unbelief in the inverse relationship between the number of pirates and the average temperature of Earth?

How will you explain yourself to the many Roman gods and goddesses that you believed in a made-up god whose myths made no sense and were mostly stolen from the true stories that were once told of them instead?
How will you explain yourself to Vishnu, Shiva, Buddha, Indra, and all the other Hindu gods and goddesses, if you should stand before them instead of your own perception of the intangible? Their all dead or mans made up idols that someone thought up. I'll be in the clear because Jesus is the only one that is not in the grave, HE IS RISEN! Did you forget, that's why we celebrate Easter. The ressurrection of my Lord and Savior , Jesus Christ!


Do you eat beef? I hear they frown on that.It's ok, He told me i could eat it. I do give thanks before i eat it and when i'm on mission trips i do stay away from the street venders hanging meat will all the flies on them though.


What if God says, "No, I'm sorry, the correct answer was Mormon."?
He won't say that, because the correct answer is Jesus, not Joseph Smith, Mormon, Budda, Baptist, Pentacostal, Catholic,etc. See my spiritual eyes have been open to the revelation that Jesus paid it all. I understand the death, burial and ressurrection! See my friend, i have experienced already the greatest miracle and that is God coming to live in me.I have that witness in me. I can show you His word on that experience if you want me to.

What if God is a shoe, or a 9-iron,
(I hope there is golf up there, i never got to play with my grandpa. I started years later after he passed away. I think He had something to do with them Titainium Drivers though! LOL

or a George Foreman grill (an heavenly invention), or a slice of salami, or a teacup orbiting Jupiter, or an invisible pink unicorn, or something else that you never would have guessed? What if it was King Kong who really died for your sins? Would you try to explain to the creator of the universe how silly it would have been for you to believe in it as it really is? I don't think that would make most of the gods we have imagined very happy. As for whatever deity might actually exist, who knows? You can know if you really want to! It could be vengeful, or it could be the sort of being that doesn't really care. Or , He could really care, like i and hundreds of millions of believers around the world do. He speaks to us all in different ways, but the greatest way is through His Son. No, My God is really totally awesome and He cares, and He cares for you Orangustang and everyone else here and wants a relationship with everyone. It's really cool how He shows up and shows off sometimes in my life and my friends lives. He's radical man! I use to have this perception of missionaries. After i recieved Christ, went to Bible School and got a taste of World Missions, i gotta say i love it and am hooked! The best part is getting to see and understand different ethnic groups and getting into their culture. Seeing how blessed we really are her in America. Being able to help feed and help others, lead others that are ready to acept Christ and plus get to see some of the beautiful artwork my creator created in this earth. I really like Costa Rica and Iguasu!
post #130 of 375
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cont.


What if God is more or less as you believe Him to be, but he favors atheists and agnostics because they don't hide behind a book but rather use what they're given to come to rational conclusions about the world? First of all, He doesn't favor anyone. He sends rain on the just and the unjust. He did give us a brain to use, but God is a Spirit, He gave man a spirit to contact Him with and a brain so man could read his owners manual (Bible) to learn about God and what He is like. God the Father even send the Son to show the world what He is like. It's really the most awesome, clever plan ever! It will all unfold because God will not hold back the real story. He'll start doing some serious major downloading in your spirit man when you get linked up with the SOURCE or if your a Star Wars fan, the FORCE!
What if having the right god isn't what impresses God at all, and those who don't believe until they have a good reason to are the ones who ultimately benefit? We'll the Bible claims to be God's word to man. It says in it that God doesn't lie. It says that when you speak with your mouth Jesus as Lord and believe in your heart the God raised Jesus from the dead, you'll be saved. It also says that He will come to live in you. It also says that you have to act upon His word. I have done that and guess what? It works! It is the word of God! It's so simple guys. All God want you to do is change your thinking. Thats been the whole problem all along- your mind. Lets get things clear and straight here- God is not a mind. Thats why you cant contact Him with your mind. You contact the mental realm with your mind. Oh yes, some of you here, have developed your minds and are very, very intelligent. Some have even developed your bodies by physical exercise. Now it time to develop our spirits.
What if your damned for eternity for using one word when you mean another, just once? Thats not going to happen, so don't be scared about that. I will have to help you guys see what is being said there. Start by reading at verse 20 in Matthew chapter 5. Who was Jesus talking to and about ? It also mentioned the word danger. Danger means warning. If you see a sign that says "Danger Bridge Out" what are you going to do? Keep driving? What would that make you?

I can invent God concepts all night if you want me to. What makes you think your god exists and no one else's does? No one else's? I have probably about close to 1 billion (1/6) brothers and sisters who believe and accepted Christ like me. I can assure you that we don't agree on everything doctrinally, but be do believe on salvation and probably baptism.
Knowing that the possibilities for God are endless, there are three reasonable conclusions one can draw about such a being. 1) God most likely doesn't exist because God must be infinitely complex, and the simplest answer is usually the most correct. 2) God may or may not exist, but there is no way to know in what form because there are so many possibilities, so we should just live our lives to the fullest and see at the end. 3) Pick the one that seems the most logical. If a more logical concept should arise, change your beliefs. This third option is still dividing by infinity, though, so it doesn't really matter either way. 0/∞ = 1/∞ = 0. There is no chance of choosing the correct religion. I strongly suggest that you live this life like it's the only one you've got, because that could very well be the case.[/QUOTE]

You left out the other possibility. 4) God does exist and created this world and us. With all the evidence, we even have to view with our eyes, how things are so complex, so detailed , so awesome and colorful etc there really not is no excuse why we shouldn't believe. I think He has done an awesome job of creating. Example- I like where He put the Earth, the sun and the moon in just the right place so we could live. What if the sun was just a little farther away or closer?
post #131 of 375
PoorTrader02,

That's my interpretation.

However, to be fair about it, that's what all religions, or the more belligerent ones teach. If you're born in the Mideast and raised in the Islamic religion, you go to their heaven. Christians, among others, to their way of thinking, are the heathens.

Guapo

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Sucks pretty bad for all those people born in countries where Christianity is not the primary religion forced upon children by their parents. Guess none of them get to go to heaven.

These people who find god, what if, instead of being exposed to christianity, they were exposed to buddhism.

Then they would find Buddha, and although it might solve their problems, they'll still burn in hell right?
post #132 of 375
Enickma,

Seems I remember from history where the folks moving across the frontiers to the west coast did a little more than save the American Indians from hell. Heck, they did the Indians a bigger favor. They sent quite a few of them on an early trip to heaven.

Guapo

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Don't forget about the Native Americans....What would they have done if it wasn't for us good Christ spreading white men....why...they'd still all be going to hell if we wouldn't have saved them.
post #133 of 375
Jitz,

Can I get an "Amen Brother" here???

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its all good ..i am sure they asked for forgiveness the next day and bowed down to their almighty god, so they DESERVE to go to heaven instead of those savage indians.
I'll go out on a limb and say that missionman will claim they were not true christians such as himself, of course.
post #134 of 375
Scotchfaster,

You're correct. You're still threatened with eternal damnation in the New Testament. It's mostly Jesus speaking rather than God directly (or God being quoted) in the Old Testament.

Telling folks you're going to hell if you don't believe sounds very much like threats to me. Christians will tell you it's not threats but what will actually happen if you indeed don't believe - a prediction of the future if you will.

I believe we're just worm meat ater we die. I think that disturbs a lot of people, "Is this all there is?" Yeah, folks, I think it is.

The best advice I can give everybody is to live a decent and honorable life, try not to harm others and have a good time while you're on this earth, because we only get one shot at it.

But I don't think it makes one iota of difference if you live an angelic life on this planet or you're the worst mass murderer in history; we all end up in the same place.

http://www.goblinville.com/pages/wri...orms-crawl.htm



Guapo

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Well, that's the popular conception. But as I pointed out earlier, Jesus threatened those who were "angry with his brother without a cause" with "hell-fire." He also said "think not that I am come to destroy the law or the prophets; I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill," which I understand to refer to the Old Testament.

So much for the loving God of the New Testament.

Folks, I think I am truly unconvertable. If the Christian conception of God is the correct one and I end up burning for all eternity, so be it. At least I'll have the eternal satisfaction of knowing I didn't kowtow to a God who likes to torture his creations. And all my friends will be there!

But honestly, I think all organized religions are simply made up stories, and I'm losing interest in discussing "what if" this particular story turns out to be true. It gives it more credence than it deserves, IMO. What if the ancient Norse were right and only the valiant warriors get to go to Valhalla? What if the Great Pumpkin is real?

What if we can't know the answers to all of our questions and have to learn to accept it?
post #135 of 375
Scotchfaster,

About all you can say about that, besides it's being sickening, is it's insane to allow that to happen to yourself because of a religious belief.

Guapo

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Originally Posted by scotchfaster View Post
Incidentally, I think this news item shows one of the many downsides of accepting Pascal's Wager. Don't click if you're squeamish.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...-mostviewedbox

post #136 of 375
What if there are different kinds of hells?

Suppose stock market players go to penny stock hell. Suppose those of us here are already dead, in penny stock hell and condemned for all eternity to playing penny stocks that always screw us over?



Guapo
post #137 of 375
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Originally Posted by scotchfaster View Post
Well, that's the popular conception.
I vote this "Best Freudian Slip/Mistake" on the entire thread!
post #138 of 375
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Originally Posted by Missionsman View Post
See my friend, i have experienced already the greatest miracle and that is God coming to live in me.I have that witness in me.
Seriously, if God himself were living in you, wouldn't he have made you a tad more convincing? Maybe it's the devil that is in you, because I wouldn't be surprised if your arguments turn devout Christians into non-believers. LOL
post #139 of 375
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I can prove it to myself but to others its such a fine line that if they do not exercise faith it will seem like random events that 'could' happen. I was broken and had bills and family medical issues, I gave to the Lord what was his and I find a check in my mailbox for 100% the exact amount I need to pay all my bills that month and help my family. I take a different route home after going the same way for 2 years and I find a mother of 3 broken down at 11pm with her babies. I know nothing about cars, yet, I'm able to get her van started and she got home.
Without questioning your faith in God or Jesus, it's experiences like this that people take as the 'proof' of his existence that kills me.

How many billions of people, people MUCH more profoundly devout than you could ever be, suffered from unimaginable disease, suffering and loss? And yet, God in His infinite wisdom, decided that His efforts would be better spent on sending you money to pay your medical bills? (Ironically, it's the rich doctors that benefit from this. I assume your health problems were taken care of before paying the bills?)

Even if God does exist, I guess the question one needs to ask oneself if they believe these acts were sent by God is, "what makes me so arrogant as to believe that God would choose to help me with such inconsequential trivialities when there are so many more out there in much greater need?"

Not only do people talk about a few random events as being signs from God (financial success being the most ludicrous), being 'saved', etc., but let's remember that Americans already live life in better conditions than about 98% of the rest of the world. God is almost certainly not going to interfere with the natural order of things so some of you can live in a 6-room mansion, or even a run-down bungalow, while he let's innocent people die from random bombing attacks. Please. Again, if anyone truly believes they've been 'saved' from hardship or injury because of a direct action by God, you need your head checked. If not for the completely illogical conclusion, then for the delusions of grandeur you're suffering from.

MrPantaloons, I liked your posts the best out of all pro-God posts. You don't come across as a freakin' lunatic - just a dude that believes what he believes, which is very cool. I'm just throwing a few things out there to think about. I think that to come to the conclusion that God exists, one needs a lot more powerful proof than a few good things happening here and there. Either more powerful proof, or just blind faith.

As for the rest of the thread, it's entertaining watch people trying to prove their pov and disprove others' when the subject at hand is absolutely impossible to prove one way or the other.
post #140 of 375
Hi Blooey,

Scotchfaster used the word conception correctly. It has several definitions.

Besides, we weren't talking about sex..... but we can if you want to

Guapo

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I vote this "Best Freudian Slip/Mistake" on the entire thread!
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