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post #7381 of 8001
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Originally Posted by lowell View Post

I can't blame anyone either, but I also can't sympathize with anyone who thinks this was anything more the a speculative play to begin with.  There are thousands of excellent products that never make it for reasons beyond their control.  The current economy, and other barriers to entry are beyond what I can imagine.  This is a speculative play and always was.  You have to be willing to lose part of all of you investment, or you shouldn't play these type of things.

 

That being said, they have blown a lot of cash and made mistakes for sure.  If their negotiations with International Shipping conglomerates is anything like those conference calls, then we need a miracle or a takeover bid and I pray for our soles (and lost $$$)

 

Chasing the China dream with no plant in place has likely been a pipe dream.  This is big leagues and I don't think they can do that properly on their own.  They need a buyout, corporate partnership, equity buy-in, JV, or something.  I don't think Bayer is a financial partner, or ever was.  The name association is a positive though.

 

I'm not selling anything now, nor do I think I could get rid of many shares anyway.  It's more speculation for me to say, but I agree with Sunarf, there must be a reason for the pullback.  I just hope they figure it out before cash runs dry.  (we have 6-9 months of cash left by my crude and ignorant calculations at current scaled-back levels)

 

The Company currently has available approximately $1.0 million to establish the Peru Indiana facility as a commercial operation and maintain ongoing business operations. The Company believes that as a result of the reductions in overhead that have been initiated in the fourth quarter of fiscal 2012, combined with the available cash on hand, and projected sales, the Company will have sufficient funds to operate for the next 12 months

 

So, there is a 12 month window if sales occur?  If no sales occur, they seem to be spending $450-$500 per quarter while in the scaled-down state which gives them 6-9 months? 

 

I wish we knew more about the projected sales...  what sales are projected and why?  I ASSume they can't make a comment like this without there being support for the same?  However, I don't really know the disclosure rules of the SEC.

 

Back to praying.......

 

The thing that really baffles me, is why wouldn't you want people to know you've started producing again.  They won't tell anyone, for whatever reason, and I have no idea why...it's a good thing.

 

Personally, I think they need to stabilize and focus on the trailer flooring.  They have have to many products in their infancy and they can't figure out how to mass produce them, even with their so called expert staff.  If they focus on the trailer plant/production, they can use that money for China and the container production.  I believe their most recent 10-K indicated the Peru plant was capable of producing $12,000,000 in revenue each month.  If they start with that they can get the rest of the floring produced, and let's face it, if they maximized the Peru plant at $144,000,000 in revenue the share price wouldn't be in the toilet.

post #7382 of 8001

Jake, I could not agree with you more.  In fact, Redwing, Sunarf and others have preached this for a long time.  Take care of home first and hopefully the cashflow might allow them to chase the China dream for more than the next 12 months (and they would be in stronger negotiating position). 

 

From the annual report -  there must be regulation as to what claims/comments are made in an annual report?

 

Initial production of highway trailer panels commenced in Q3 of calendar 2011, however, the company halted production in Q4 of calendar 2011 in order to introduce a new pressurized manufacturing process. In the first quarter of calendar 2012, the Company embarked on a re-design and re-tooling of its panel in order to improve installation processes and performance characteristics. The Company expects to ramp up production volume in or around August of this year. Management of the Company expects that it has adequate funds to execute the initial ramp up of volume but may require additional funding to complete the build out of the Peru, Indiana facility.

 

So, 

  • began to produce panels in calendar Q3 (July - Sept) of 2011.

 

  • something caused this to be halted in Q4 of 2011. (what? this must be an identified alteration required to satisfy someone’s demand?)

 

  • a new pressurized process was established (hence the layoffs make sense if this is a long process, I don't know) 

 

  • Does anyone know anything about this new process? It slipped my attention as I’ve been lulled to sleep on this thing for quite a while.

 

  • In calendar Q1 – re-design and re-tooling to improve installation processes and performance.  (I just hope this re-design is happening to support a specific demand – at this point it must be, right?)

 

  • Apparently, they knew this would take some time, because they go on to say that The Company expects to ramp up production volume in or around August of this year.

 

  • I guess it’s still “in or around” August (good grief). I’m hoping there’s something to be released before the cash goes bye-bye.

 

  • but may require additional funding to complete the build out of the Peru, Indiana facility – I don’t like the odds of that happening without something in the way of sales orders.

 

I agree with you, why wouldn't they want to PR this positive informaton?  I don't know.  Maybe it hasn't been concrete enough to pass whatever restrictions there are for news releases. 

 

post #7383 of 8001
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Originally Posted by lowell View Post

Jake, I could not agree with you more.  In fact, Redwing, Sunarf and others have preached this for a long time.  Take care of home first and hopefully the cashflow might allow them to chase the China dream for more than the next 12 months (and they would be in stronger negotiating position). 

 

From the annual report -  there must be regulation as to what claims/comments are made in an annual report?

 

Initial production of highway trailer panels commenced in Q3 of calendar 2011, however, the company halted production in Q4 of calendar 2011 in order to introduce a new pressurized manufacturing process. In the first quarter of calendar 2012, the Company embarked on a re-design and re-tooling of its panel in order to improve installation processes and performance characteristics. The Company expects to ramp up production volume in or around August of this year. Management of the Company expects that it has adequate funds to execute the initial ramp up of volume but may require additional funding to complete the build out of the Peru, Indiana facility.

 

So, 

  • began to produce panels in calendar Q3 (July - Sept) of 2011.

 

  • something caused this to be halted in Q4 of 2011. (what? this must be an identified alteration required to satisfy someone’s demand?)

 

  • a new pressurized process was established (hence the layoffs make sense if this is a long process, I don't know) 

 

  • Does anyone know anything about this new process? It slipped my attention as I’ve been lulled to sleep on this thing for quite a while.

 

  • In calendar Q1 – re-design and re-tooling to improve installation processes and performance.  (I just hope this re-design is happening to support a specific demand – at this point it must be, right?)

 

  • Apparently, they knew this would take some time, because they go on to say that The Company expects to ramp up production volume in or around August of this year.

 

  • I guess it’s still “in or around” August (good grief). I’m hoping there’s something to be released before the cash goes bye-bye.

 

  • but may require additional funding to complete the build out of the Peru, Indiana facility – I don’t like the odds of that happening without something in the way of sales orders.

 

I agree with you, why wouldn't they want to PR this positive informaton?  I don't know.  Maybe it hasn't been concrete enough to pass whatever restrictions there are for news releases. 

 

 

Like Sunarf said, here's is a silver lining...I guess.

 

They have be working with a trailer company who wants more of the product.  I just cannot for see them spending six figures to not know if someone was going to buy this product.  With that said, I don't think it's a matter of whether or not EKO-FLOR is a good product. It's a matter of them getting their asses in gear and mass producing it.  If their experts can't figure it out, you are right Lowell, they are going to be out of money very soon.

post #7384 of 8001

Well, I'm not selling any of my position.  This was always a lottery play for me.  Hell, I've owned this turd longer than I have owned any of my vehicles so why sell now?  It's win big baby, or go home crying for me. 

 

I just wish they would be upfront about what is going on and learn how to communicate.

post #7385 of 8001
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by I we Todd did View Post

 

I just wish they would be upfront about what is going on and learn how to communicate.

 

That's what I would like to see too. Good or bad...I want to know what's going on. It would go a long way with investor confidence and their faith/trust in Conforce.

post #7386 of 8001

Jake, you've stirred up some volume......

post #7387 of 8001
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Originally Posted by lowell View Post

Jake, you've stirred up some volume......

 

No...Kulas is at home buying the shares...

post #7388 of 8001
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Originally Posted by lowell View Post

Jake, you've stirred up some volume......

 

It's probably because this has been on the HSM homepage.

post #7389 of 8001

49% gain would normally excite me more than this, but I will take anything......

post #7390 of 8001
Thread Starter 

Don't let it stop there. Someone hit that .155 mark!

post #7391 of 8001

Sun,

Did you spend the $87.89 + comm just to make you predictions come true?

post #7392 of 8001

Oh my...this thing has had more price changes in the last two trading days than a whore in Thailand.

 

If it hit $.20 it would be a miracle.  Must be all the pre-ramp up excitement...

post #7393 of 8001
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by lowell View Post

Sun,

Did you spend the $87.89 + comm just to make you predictions come true?

 

Dude.........stop calling me out!

 

Anyway, it's my money and I'll spend it how I want.

post #7394 of 8001

Wait, scratch that...  This is not my lottery ticket, it's the longest friggin game of bingo I've ever played in my life!bs_help.gif


Edited by I we Todd did - 8/20/12 at 6:35pm
post #7395 of 8001

Mother will this stock try to .... break my ballzzzzz....ooohhhhhh baby, Mother should I build a wall.   Hush my baby don't you sell .....

post #7396 of 8001
Thread Starter 

Mama's gonna make all of your accounts turn green
 

post #7397 of 8001
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Mama's gonna make all of your accounts turn green
 

 

does pink floyd really say that? hahaha
post #7398 of 8001
C'mon guys No dark sarcasm in the class room
post #7399 of 8001
Thread Starter 

Hey, lowell.....leave us kids alone!

post #7400 of 8001

Maybe if everybody starts quoting lines from money instead of the wall this thing will turn around lol.

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