I thought the moderator told us that Special K wasn't going to do this any more?
He said I couldn't harass you but I can reply to personal posts and I can post SEC filings.
I have nothing to say to you. You have just committed libelous intent to destroy the company continously. I have already begun to report your post to the appropriate authorities and will do the same to both the moderator and the forum itself if actions are not taken immediately.
Why don't you boys just hang it up?
He said I couldn't harass you but I can reply to personal posts and I can post SEC filings.
Bob, I know you are old and your life is coming to an end but do you really want your legacy to be known as a stock message board troll?
Do something productive with your final years and then maybe god will let you into heaven. Posting your LYING OPINION of a company you know nothing about is no way to put all of your life's hard work in jeopardy for spreading inaccurate data about a company that is well above your mental capacity.
He said I couldn't harass you but I can reply to personal posts and I can post SEC filings.
Oh, I see. I guess he assumed you knew what the word "harass" means.
Don't need a crystal ball dufas. Pitiful and a scam.
How is replying to a discussion subject from SAICandCCTI, a reply to intentionally disrupt the discussion and personally attack him with the words "Don't need a crystal ball dufas. Pitiful and a scam", not harassment?
Bob, I know you are old and your life is coming to an end but do you really want your legacy to be known as a stock message board troll?
Do something productive with your final years and then maybe god will let you into heaven. Posting your LYING OPINION of a company you know nothing about is no way to put all of your life's hard work in jeopardy for spreading inaccurate data about a company that is well above your mental capacity.
SEC is fact, not opinion. Every time one of you posts you just drive another nail into your coffin. Why are you making this personal? Facts hurt? Guess I'll do some more digging. 
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If this were in the real world and I saw you stumbling about trying to say this i'd swear you were choking on something.
I'm really confused over these bizarre posts of yours. They say a lot of repeated "look at me-look at me" and "blah blah blah" with a very limited vocabulary, its like a broken record, and the posts contain nothing of any value for intelligent discussion.
cracity,
Just curious so i'd like to ask you a few curiousity questions;
1. Why is it so important to you that someone agree with you?
2. Why are you so openly hostile, argumentatively hostile, argumentatively aggressive, and confirmationally biased against the decision, opinion, or discussion of others ?
3. Why do you fill your opinion argument with nothing but you and what you want to say but yet shy away from presenting logical reasonably understood opinion, if you are so passionate about your opinion?
4. Was there no other picture available for use in your profile except one with a pirate hat?
Thank You
Here you go. You realize the Government's closing many coal fired plants in the coming years...........
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NEW YORK (AP) — America is shoveling coal to the sidelines.
The fuel that powered the U.S. from the industrial revolution into the iPhone era is being pushed aside as utilities switch to cleaner and cheaper alternatives.
The share of U.S. electricity that comes from coal is forecast to fall below 40 percent for the year — the lowest level since the government began collecting this data in 1949. Four years ago, it was 50 percent. By the end of this decade, it is likely to be near 30 percent.
“The peak has passed,” said Jone-Lin Wang, head of Global Power for the energy research firm IHS CERA.
Utilities are aggressively ditching coal in favor of natural gas, which has become cheaper as supplies grow. Natural gas has other advantages over coal: It produces far fewer emissions of toxic chemicals and gases that contribute to climate change, key attributes as tougher environmental rules go into effect.
Natural gas will be used to produce 29 percent of the country’s electricity this year, up from 20 percent in 2008. Nuclear accounts for 20 percent. Hydroelectric, wind, solar and other renewables make up the rest.
The shift from coal is reverberating across Appalachia, where mining companies are laying off workers and cutting production. Utilities across the country are grappling with how to store growing piles of unused coal.
Coal has dominated the U.S. power industry for so long because it’s a cheap and abundant domestic resource. The U.S. is the world’s second-largest coal producer after China, and it has the world’s biggest reserves — enough to last more than 200 years.
Coal has also enjoyed strong political support because of the jobs it provides in mining and transportation. That helped coal thrive even as environmental concerns over mining practices and air quality grew.
Just five years ago, coal was flourishing in the U.S. With electricity demand and the price of natural gas both rising, coal was viewed as essential to keeping power costs under control. Utilities drew up plans to build dozens of coal-fired plants.
But around the same time, a revolution was under way in the natural gas industry. Drillers figured how to tap enormous deposits of previously inaccessible reserves. As supplies grew and the price of natural gas plummeted, the ground shifted under the electric-power industry.
Now coal is being beaten at its own game. Natural gas has become a cheap and abundant domestic resource, too. And it is more environmentally friendly.
Power plants that burn coal produce more than 90 times as much sulfur dioxide, five times as much nitrogen oxide and twice as much carbon dioxide as those that run on natural gas, according to the Government Accountability Office, the regulatory arm of Congress. Sulfur dioxide causes acid rain; nitrogen oxides cause smog; and carbon dioxide is a so-called greenhouse gas that traps heat in the atmosphere.
A pair of clean air rules enacted by the Environmental Protection Agency over the past year tightens limits on power-plant emissions of sulfur dioxide and nitrogen dioxide, and place new limits on mercury, a poison found in coal. This will force between 32 and 68 of the dirtiest and oldest coal plants in the country to close over the next three years as the rules go into effect, according to an AP survey of power plant operators conducted late last year.
Coal was hit with a potentially bigger environmental blow in March when the EPA issued guidelines that could limit greenhouse gas emissions from new power plants as early as 2013. Once the guidelines go into effect, no coal plants will be built unless utilities can develop a cost-effective way to capture carbon dioxide, analysts say. That technology has been slow to develop and is very expensive.
“Even without the EPA rules, coal is not really competitive,” Wang says.
Coal executives are hardly giving up. Nick DeIuliis, President of Consol Energy, a coal and natural gas producer based in Canonsburg, Pa., doubts the EPA’s restrictions on greenhouse gases will survive long term because of the economic harm he says they will inflict.
Consol and other U.S. coal companies hope to be able to keep mines active by exporting more of the country’s huge reserves. Last year U.S. coal exports hit a record 107 million short tons. High grade coal that is used to make steel is in particular demand in developing countries such as China, India and Brazil.
DeIuliis says the price of natural gas will rebound over time and that coal will once again account for half the nation’s electricity. “This is a cycle,” he says.
The futures price of natural gas hit a 10-year low of $1.91 per thousand cubic feet in April. It closed Tuesday at $2.23 but would have to more than double from there to convince utilities that have a choice of fuels to return to coal whenever possible.
Utilities are forecast to burn 808 million tons of coal this year, a 13 percent decline from last year and the fewest tons since 1992, according to Energy Department data.
Demand for coal has fallen even faster than the environmentalists who have been lobbying against coal had anticipated.
Bruce Nilles, director of the Sierra Club’s Beyond Coal campaign, says the shift was accelerated by the low price of natural gas. That, along with tougher environmental rules and alternatives such as wind and solar will keep the pressure on coal. “We won’t go backwards,” he says.
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Also, companies are spending billions of dollars to install scrubbers on the coal plants they want to keep running.
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In 1970, the U.S. Congress passed the Clean Air Act, which regulated the emission of sulfur dioxide (SO2), among other forms of pollution. SO2 contributes strongly to acid rain, and causes or exacerbates respiratory illnesses. However, the legislation allowed for exemptions for older power plants. This legislation has been strengthened since then: in 1977, the New Source Review increased compliance by states, while the EPA's Clean Air Interstate Rule, passed in 2005, requires a 57% cut in U.S. SO2 emissions by 2015. (Roughly 60% of U.S. SO2 emissions come from coal-fired power plants.) Especially since 2005, many utilities have begun attaching SO2 scrubbers to their coal-fired generating stations. However, many plants still do not have adequate - or even any - SO2 controls.[1][2][3]
According to data from the Energy Information Administration, the following proportions of coal-fired power plants with capacity over 100 MW had SO2 scrubbers in 2005:[4]
| SO2 Removal Rate | # of Plants | Total Capacity |
|---|---|---|
| Over 90% | 94 | 46,734 MW |
| 80-89% | 49 | 21,613 MW |
| 70-79% | 52 | 20,950 MW |
| 16-69% | 11 | 3,825 MW |
| None | 628 | 220,664 MW |
It is possible that some coal-fired plants with SO2 scrubbers did not report their scrubbers to the EIA, and thus that the above table overstates the number of plants without SO2 controls. However, out of 257 U.S. coal-fired power plants which produced more than 2,000 GWh of power in 2006, 86 had SO2 emissions that were higher than 10 lb/MWh – compared with an average of 1 lb/MWh for coal plants with state-of-the-art SO2 scrubbers.[5][6] We can surmise that these 86 plants almost certainly have zero or extremely minimal SO2 scrubbers, or have SO2 scrubbers that were not functioning in 2006.
A more recent survey (June 2008) of coal-fired power plants conducted by the Environmental Protection Agency found that 209,000 MW out of 329,000 MW of capacity, or 63.5%, had no scrubbers. Of the 120,000 MW fitted with scrubbers, 104,000 MW represented wet fluidized gas disposal systems and 16,200 MW represented dry fluidized gas disposal systems.[7]
The following table summarizes the findings of the EPA survey (June 2008):[7]
| Scrubber Status (2008) | No Scrubbers | Scrubbers | Total |
|---|---|---|---|
| Number of Plants | 351 | 146 | 497 |
| Number of Generating Units | 990 | 290 | 1,280 |
| Capacity (MW) | 209,000 | 120,000 | 329,000 |
In 2008, the Environmental Protection Agency released projections about future scrubber systems at coal-fired power plants. The following table shows the EPA's projections for scrubbers in 2009 and 2010. The reason that the total capacity represented by these figures is lower than the figures shown above (316,000 MW in 2009 and 318,000 MW in 2010, compared to the 329,000 MW shown above for of capacity survey in 2008), is that these figures are based on a database that uses summer and winter capacity rather than nameplate capacity. [7]
| Scrubber Status | Capacity Without Scrubbers (MW) | Capacity With Scrubbers (MW) | Total Capacity (MW) |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2009 (projected) | 159,000 | 157,000 | 316,000 |
| 2010 (projected) | 134,000 | 184,000 | 318,000 |
The following table summarizes the data from EPA's 2008 survey and 2009/2010 projections:
| Year | Percent of Coal Capacity with Scrubbers |
|---|---|
| 2008 (actual) | 36% |
| 2009 (projected) | 50% |
| 2010 (projected) | 58% |
The following list is based on the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's (EPA) current draft estimates of announced sulfur dioxide (SO2) control technologies (i.e. scrubber) to be installed at coal plants as a result of the Clean Air Interstate Rule (CAIR), a review of trade press announcements of scrubber installations and discussions with individual States. This list was last updated in July of 2008. These operations and construction upgrades must be fully evaluated by the EPA and must also be considered in the context of recent court decisions.[8]
Plant  |
State |
Plant Online Year |
Srubber Type |
Scrubber Online Year |
| Jeffrey Energy Center | Kansas | 1978 | Wet Scrubber | 2014 |
| Fort Martin Power Station | West Virginia | 1968 | unknown scrubber type | unknown |
| James H Miller Jr (burner 1) | Alabama | 1978 | Wet Scrubber | 2011 |
| James H Miller Jr (burner 2) | Alabama | 1985 | Wet Scrubber | 2011 |
| James H Miller Jr (burner 3) | Alabama | 1989 | Wet Scrubber | 2011 |
| James H Miller Jr (burner 4) | Alabama | 1991 | Wet Scrubber | 2011 |
| Cape Fear (burner 5) | North Carolina | 1956 | Dry Scrubber | 2011 |
| Baldwin Energy (burner 1) | Illinois | 1970 | Wet Scrubber | 2011 |
| Baldwin Energy (burner 2) | Illinois | 1973 | Wet Scrubber | 2011 |
| Baldwin Energy (burner 3) | Illinois | 1975 | Wet Scrubber | 2011 |
| Scherer (burner 3) | Georgia | 1987 | Wet Scrubber | 2011 |
| Milton R Young (burner 1) | North Dakota | 1970 | Wet Scrubber | 2011 |
| W H Sammis (burner 6) | Ohio | 1969 | Wet Scrubber | 2011 |
| W H Sammis (burner 7) | Ohio | 1971 | Wet Scrubber | 2011 |
| PSEG Hudson Generating Station (burner 2) | New Jersey | 1967 | Dry Scrubber | 2011 |
| John Sevier (burner 1) | Tennessee | 1955 | Wet Scrubber | 2011 |
| John Sevier (burner 2) | Tennessee | 1955 | Wet Scrubber | 2011 |
| John Sevier (burne 3) | Tennessee | 1956 | Wet Scrubber | 2011 |
| John Sevier (burner 4) | Tennessee | 1957 | Wet Scrubber | 2011 |
| Beech Hollow Power (burner 1) | Pennsylvania | 2011 | Wet Scrubber | 2011 |
| Longview Power (burner 1) | West Virginia | 2011 | Wet Scrubber | 2011 |
| Cliffside (burner 6) | North Carolina | 2011 | Wet Scrubber | 2011 |
| AES Greenidge (burner 5) | New York | 1950 | Dry Scrubber | 2010 |
| AES Greenidge (burner 6) | New York | 1950 | Dry Scrubber | 2010 |
| E C Gaston (burner 5) | Alabma | 1974 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Warrick (burner 4) | Indiana | 1970 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Coffeen (burner 1) | Illinois | 1965 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Coffeen (burner 2) | Illinois | 1972 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Cardinal (burner 3) | Ohio | 1977 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Brandon Shores (burner 1) | Maryland | 1984 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Brandon Shores (burner 2) | Maryland | 1991 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Monroe (burner 4) | Michigan | 1974 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Cliffside (burner 5) | North Carolina | 1972 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Crystal River (burner 4) | Florida | 1982 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Bowen (burner 1) | Georgia | 1971 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Crist (burner 6) | Florida | 1970 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Crist (burner 7) | Florida | 1973 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Clifty Creek (burner 1) | Indiana | 1955 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Clifty Creek (burner 2) | Indiana | 1955 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Clifty Creek (burner 3) | Indiana | 1955 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Clifty Creek (burner 4) | Indiana | 1955 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Clifty Creek (burner 5) | Indiana | 1955 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Clifty Creek (burner 6) | Indiana | 1956 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Chalk Point (burner 1) | Maryland | 1964 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Chalk Point (burner 2) | Maryland | 1965 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Dickerson (burner 1) | Maryland | 1959 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Dickerson (burner 2) | Maryland | 1960 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Dickerson (burner 3) | Maryland | 1962 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| R E Burger (burner 7) | Ohio | 1955 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| R E Burger (burner 8) | Ohio | 1955 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Kyger Creek (burner 1) | Ohio | 1955 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Kyger Creek (burner 2) | Ohio | 1955 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Kyger Creek (burner 3) | Ohio | 1955 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Kyger Creek (burner 4) | Ohio | 1955 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Kyger Creek (burner 5) | Ohio | 1955 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Cheswick (burner 1) | Pennsylvania | 1970 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| PSEG Mercer Generating Station (burner 1) | New Jersey | 1960 | Dry Scrubber | 2010 |
| PSEG Mercer Generating Station(burner 2) | New Jersey | 1961 | Dry Scrubber | 2010 |
| Silver Lake (burner 4) | Minnesota | 1969 | Dry Scrubber | 2010 |
| Kingston (burner 1) | Tennessee | 1954 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Kingston (burner 2) | Tennessee | 1954 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Kingston (burner 3) | Tennessee | 1954 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Kingston (buner 4) | Tennessee | 1954 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Kingston (burner 5) | Tennessee | 1955 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Kingston (burner 6) | Tennessee | 1955 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Kingston (burner 7) | Tennessee | 1955 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Kingston (burner 8) | Tennessee | 1955 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Kingston (burner 9) | Tennessee | 1955 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Sioux (burner 1) | Missouri | 1967 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Sioux (burner 2) | Missouri | 1968 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Chesterfield (burner 5) | Virginia | 1964 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Yorktown (burner 1) | Virginia | 1957 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| AES Westover (burner 11) | New York | 1943 | Dry Scrubber | 2010 |
| AES Westover (burner 12) | New York | 1943 | Dry Scrubber | 2010 |
| Iatan (burner 2) | Missouri | 2010 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Southwest (burner 2) | Missouri | 2010 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Trimble Station (LGE) (burner 2) | Kentucky | 2010 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Elm Road Generating (burner 2) | Wisconsin | 2010 | Wet Scrubber | 2010 |
| Cholla (burner 3) | Arizona | 1980 | Wet Scrubber | 2009 |
| Mayo (burner 1a) | North Carolina | 1983 | Wet Scrubber | 2009 |
| Mayo (burner 1b) | North Carolina | 1983 | Wet Scrubber | 2009 |
| Conesville (burner 4) | Ohio | 1973 | Wet Scrubber | 2009 |
| G G Allen (burner 1) | North Carolina | 1957 | Wet Scrubber | 2009 |
| G G Allen (burner 2 | North Carolina | 1957 | Wet Scrubber | 2009 |
| G G Allen (burner 3) | North Carolina | 1959 | Wet Scrubber | 2009 |
| G G Allen (burner 4) | North Carolina | 1960 | Wet Scrubber | 2009 |
| G G Allen (burner 5) | North Carolina | 1961 | Wet Scrubber | 2009 |
| H L Spurlock (burner 1) | Kentucky | 1977 | Wet Scrubber | 2009 |
| Crystal River Deerhaven Generating (burner 1) | Florida | 1984 | Wet Scrubber | 2009 |
| Station (burner 2) | Florida | 1981 | Wet Scrubber | 2009 |
| Bowen (burner 2blr) | Georgia | 1972 | Wet Scrubber | 2009 |
| Wansley (burner 2) | Georgia | 1978 | Wet Scrubber | 2009 |
| E W Brown (burner 1) | Kentucky | 1957 | Wet Scrubber | 2009 |
| E W Brown (burner 2) | Kentucky | 1963 | Wet Scrubber | 2009 |
| E W Brown (burner 3) | Kentucky | 1971 | Wet Scrubber | 2009 |
| Ghent (burner 2) | Kentucky | 1977 | Wet Scrubber | 2009 |
| Fayette Power Project (burner 1) | Texas | 1979 | Wet Scrubber | 2009 |
| Fayette Power Project (burner 2) | Texas | 1980 | Wet Scrubber | 2009 |
| Morgantown Generating Plant (burner 1) | Maryland | 1970 | Wet Scrubber | 2009 |
| Morgantown Generating Plant (burner 2) | Maryland | 1971 | Wet Scrubber | 2009 |
| PPL Brunner Island (burner 1) | New York | 1961 | Wet Scrubber | 2009 |
| PPL Brunner Island (burner 2) | New York | 1965 | Wet Scrubber | 2009 |
| Keystone (burner 1) | Pennsylvania | 1967 | Wet Scrubber | 2009 |
| Keystone (burner 2) | Pennsylvania | 1968 | Wet Scrubber | 2009 |
| Bull Run (burner 1) | Tennessee | 1967 | Wet Scrubber | 2009 |
| Bay Shore (burner 4) | Ohio | 1968 | Wet Scrubber | 2009 |
| Hatfields Ferry Power (burner 1) | Pennsylvania | 1969 | Wet Scrubber | 2009 |
| Hatfields Ferry Power (burner 2) | Pennsylvania | 1970 | Wet Scrubber | 2009 |
| Hatfields Ferry Power (burner 3) | Pennsylvania | 1971 | Wet Scrubber | 2009 |
| Nebraska City Unit 2 (burner 2) | Nebraska | 2009 | Wet Scrubber | 2009 |
| Cross (burner 4) | South Carolina | 2009 | Wet Scrubber | 2009 |
| Springerville (burner 4) | Arizona | 2009 | Wet Scrubber | 2009 |
| Sandow 5 (burner 5) | Texas | 2009 | Wet Scrubber | 2009 |
| Oak Grove (burner 1) | Texas | 2009 | Wet Scrubber | 2009 |
| Oak Grove (burner 2) | Texas | 2009 | Wet Scrubber | 2009 |
| TS Power Plant (burner 1) | Nevada | 2009 | Dry Scrubber | 2009 |
| Plum Point Energy (burner 1) | Arkansas | 2009 | Dry Scrubber | 2009 |
| Comanche (burner 3) | Colorado | 2009 | Dry Scrubber | 2009 |
| Elm Road Generating (burner 1) | Wisconsin | 2009 | Wet Scrubber | 2009 |
| Two Elk Generating (burner 1) | Wyoming | 2009 | Wet Scrubber | 2009 |
| J K Spruce (burner 2) | Texas | 2009 | Wet Scrubber | 2009 |
| Dallman (burner 34) | Illinois | 2009 | Wet Scrubber | 2009 |
| Charles R Lowman (burner 1) | Alabama | 1969 | Wet Scrubber | 2008 |
| John E Amos (burner 1) | West Virginia | 1971 | Wet Scrubber | 2008 |
| John E Amos (burner 2) | West Virginia | 1972 | Wet Scrubber | 2008 |
| Cholla (burner 3) | Arizona | 1981 | Wet Scrubber | 2008 |
| Roxboro (burner 1) | North Carolina | 1966 | Wet Scrubber | 2008 |
| Roxboro(burner 3a) | North Carolina | 1973 | Wet Scrubber | 2008 |
| Roxboro (burner 3b) | North Carolina | 1973 | Wet Scrubber | 2008 |
| Miami Fort (burner 7) | Ohio | 1975 | Wet Scrubber | 2008 |
| Miami Fort (burner 8) | Ohio | 1978 | Wet Scrubber | 2008 |
| Cogentrix Virginia Leasing Corporation (burner 2a) | Virginia | 1988 | Dry Scrubber | 2008 |
| Cogentrix Virginia Leasing Corporation (burner 2b) | Virginia | 1988 | Dry Scrubber | 2008 |
| Cogentrix Virginia Leasing Corporation (burner 2c) | Virginia | 1988 | Dry Scrubber | 2008 |
| J M Stuart (burner 1) | Ohio | 1971 | Wet Scrubber | 2008 |
| J M Stuart (burner 2) | Ohio | 1970 | Wet Scrubber | 2008 |
| J M Stuart (burner 3) | Ohio | 1972 | Wet Scrubber | 2008 |
| J M Stuart (burner 4) | Ohio | 1974 | Wet Scrubber | 2008 |
| Monroe (burner 3) | Michigan | 1973 | Wet Scrubber | 2008 |
| Belews Creek (burner 1) | North Carolina | 1974 | Wet Scrubber | 2008 |
| Belews Creek (burner 2) | North Carolina | 1975 | Wet Scrubber | 2008 |
| Bowen (burner 3blr) | Georgia | 1974 | Wet Scrubber | 2008 |
| Bowen (burner 4blr) | Georgia | 1975 | Wet Scrubber | 2008 |
| Hammond (burner 1) | Georgia | 1954 | Wet Scrubber | 2008 |
| Hammond (burner 2) | Georgia | 1954 | Wet Scrubber | 2008 |
| Hammond (burner 3) | Geogia | 1955 | Wet Scrubber | 2008 |
| Hammond (burner 4) | Georgia | 1970 | Wet Scrubber | 2008 |
| Wansley (burner 1) | Georgia | 1976 | Wet Scrubber | 2008 |
| Harding Street (burner 70) | Indiana | 1973 | Wet Scrubber | 2008 |
| Cogentrix Hopewell (burner 1a) | Virginia | 1987 | Dry Scrubber | 2008 |
| Cogentrix Hopewell (burner 1b) | Virginia | 1987 | Dry Scrubber | 2008 |
| Cogentrix Hopewell (burner 1c) | Virginia | 1987 | Dry Scrubber | 2008 |
| Ghent (burner 4) | Kentucky | 1984 | Wet Scrubber | 2008 |
| Council Bluffs (burner 3) | Iowa | 1978 | Dry Scrubber | 2008 |
| PPL Brunner Island (burner 3) | Pennsylvania | 1969 | Wet Scrubber | 2008 |
| PPL Montour (burner 1) | Pennsylvania | 1972 | Wet Scrubber | 2008 |
| PPL Montour (burner 2) | Pennsylvania | 1973 | Wet Scrubber | 2008 |
| Comanche (burner 1) | Colorado | 1973 | Dry Scrubber | 2008 |
| Comanche (burner 2) | Colorado | 1975 | Dry Scrubber | 2008 |
| Cayuga (burner 2) | Indiana | 1972 | Wet Scrubber | 2008 |
| Winyah (burner 1) | South Carolina | 1975 | Wet Scrubber | 2008 |
| Winyah (burner 2) | South Carolina | 1977 | Wet Scrubber | 2008 |
| Winyah (burner 3) | South Carolina | 1980 | Wet Scrubber | 2008 |
| Chesterfield (burner 6) | Virginia | 1969 | Wet Scrubber | 2008 |
| Brayton Point (burner 1) | Massachusetts | 1963 | Dry Scrubber | 2008 |
| Brayton Point (burner 2) | Massachusetts | 1964 | Dry Scrubber | 2008 |
| Weston (burner 4) | Wisconsin | 2008 | Dry Scrubber | 2008 |
In March of 2010 Natural Capitalism Solutions, an environmental advocacy group based in Longmont, Colorado, released a report that favored phasing out existing coal plants over retrofitting them with scrubber technology. The report titled, “Coal Plants in Transition: An Economic Case Study,” provided a “proof of concept” for utilities to consider as they evaluate investments in new generation capacity and upgrades to existing facilities.
“We are quickly entering a water- and carbon-constrained world, and we wanted to look at what options might be available to utility managers and other energy providers,” said Paul Sheldon, a senior consultant at Natural Capitalism Solutions and the report’s main author. “We believe that these findings represent a business approach for energy managers to consider as they are faced with difficult decisions regarding the future of their facilities. We’ve shown that this approach allows them to maintain reliability and still profit in their transition to 21st century energy technologies.”[9]
Using the 35-year old, 2,250-megawatt Navajo Generating Station near Page, Ariz. as a case study, the group's analysis examined the costs and benefits of the plant’s future. As with many aging power plants nationwide, Navajo is due for upgrades necessary for it to comply with the EPA's pollution and air quality regulations. The report notes that retrofits can entail substantial costs, running into the hundreds of millions of dollars.
The report states that such facilities, in order to protect jobs and move in a more environmentally safe direction, will be more profitable by abandoning retrofit plans and instead embracing a full range of clean energy resources, including wind, photovoltaic and concentrated solar, geothermal, and biomass, combined with large-scale supply and demand- side efficiency measure
They are cleaning pollutants up on the back end not the front. The clean coal technology Bush spoke of is in the past.
They are cleaning pollutants up on the back end not the front. The clean coal technology Bush spoke of is in the past.
Hmmm, no, they are cleaning up pollutants any way they can. It just so happens that the majority of "clean coal" technology already available operates on the back end and its that way because that was the way to attack the problem when those technology concepts were developed. CCTC is coming out with something new, just as those other technologies were once new, and CCTC will be demonstrating their new concept to the Department Of Energy with the pilot plant. Just like those other technologies once competed for attention, the CCTC technology deserves the same chance.
I've tried to be courteous to people here, i've tried to remain on topic despite the constant interruptions from you and others like you with nothing of any value to contribute to a reasonable intelligent discussion with an obvious agenda to disrupt disussion as much as posible. Now I'm going to say something, but I will still try to be courteous. What you posted is completly useless for anything in relation to the questions I asked you, you avoided answering the the questions completly in favor of confirmational bias and latent hostility trying to make a useless point that some way in your mind is a big accomplishment.
If it works it works and we all benefit in some way because even if it isn't used in the U.S. there is still the rest of the world and they contribute to coal induced pollution also and coal fired is going to be with them for a long time, if it doesn't work then we move on to something else, i'm all for anything that will reduce pollution no matter which end its on. However, there is no way possible that you or anyone else can know either way right now if it works or not and pretending that you do because you can post something that someone else created that was focused on something else is rather disengenous. You don't really understand what the "clean coal" concept is do you, your posts show you don't.
So because they close some plants, and you can click the submit button to post something of someone elses, this some way gives you the right to be openly hostile, argumentatively hostile, argumentatively aggressive, and confirmationally biased against the decision, opinion, or discussion of others, and disrespect the opinions of others, and attack innocent people who are simply making their own decisons to invest and want to talk about it.
Now I know why you wear the pirate hat, you need the extra space to store your ego.
Give me a break. You cheerleaders here are the ones being hostile. I think you posted about taking someone out back and shooting them. Some of us just don't buy the hype you guys are spewing. My earlier point was that these companies that have already spent billions of dollars on scrubbers will probably not be inclined to put any money into new technologies for many years. If you see the dates of the scrubbers coming online 2008 was the earliest. They haven't even reached 10% depreciation yet. That said, I will leave you cheerleaders alone for now. GL2U
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