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post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
Hey everyone, for a little of background I am 16 years old and in high school during the day. I started investing about 1 1/2 years ago I bought my first mutual fund through vanguard. Since then I have worked a part time job and have learned a lot about investing. After reading quite a bit on this site and a few others I would like to get into trading with a small ammount of money.

I have both a scottrade and vanguard account, and in the Scottrade account I have about $1100. From what I have heard on here I am going to put about 600 dollars into NSMG and mabye one other hurricane stock. (Is it too late?, I think the prices are still low?)

But basically is what I am asking is what are some good reading materials that will teach me a lot about technical analysis? I mean reading americanbulls.com and seeing 100 turned into 16000+ in 2 years is unbelievable, and to me that looks like simply a computer program reading chart patterns and then deciding to buy/sell. If possible I would prefer online text because I dont have to spend money on the book lol
post #2 of 16
Thread Starter 
Oh yeah I forgot to mention this...

I have read all the stickies in this forum thouroughly and have read 2 books on trading. I understand basically what things are, ie support and resistance, wedges etc. but basically I am looking for a more indepth explanation, how to find stocks that are exhibiting this, and what will happen to prices after certain things happen.

I understand that wedges will happen in both directions and that they typically signal a breakout but in what direction? How do places like americanbulls.com make so much money using daily candle stick patterns? Is something like that possible to do in trading after market? (I go to scvhool during the day PST so the market is closed when I get hgome)

Oh yeah and one last thing, It seems to me that support and resistance lines are very easy to find on Big board stocks, not pennies, but with pennies how do you use technical analysis, volume/momentum? And I know that DD means research but what the hell does it stand for?
post #3 of 16
600$ into NSMG may be a good idea since you can't really play most other volatile penny stocks. NSMG will probably be higher during hurricane season. There is no guarantee though, and there might be a pull back. Since you have so little money, you'll need to put it into one or two stocks max, or you're going to get eaten up by commissions. Watch out scottrade has a .5% charge on shares over a certain amount, and if you buy penny stocks most likely you'll exceed that threshold. Books are good but everything you find in books you can learn online. Try stockcharts.com and they have a chart school section for free. Americanbulls.com is unrealistic because they use hind sight, they say they buy a stock, only after it goes up. And when it goes down, they claimed they sold at high. It isn't unrealistic to make a lot in penny stocks, but be ready to risk losing it all.
post #4 of 16
Thread Starter 
Awesome I will definately take a look at those websites but NSMG sounds like a good plan coming up here.

I disagree that it is difficult to make money with 1100 dolalrs, it may be at first for a newbie like myself though. From what I have read there are not a lot of people on here that are putting over 2000 in each trade. It seems that with much more than that you end up owning a large ammount of the stock lol.

In something like a big board trade I agree that I would prolly have to do almost all of my money because the changes are so minimal. In penny stocks .001 can be a tremendous percent change... But yeah so how does one go about using technical analysis on penny stocks?

And... I figured American bulls was somewhat unrealistic but is there potential behind the patterns they track? How reliable are their meanings? And how do you find stocks with these patterns?
post #5 of 16
your better off spending your money on the books then on a penny stock. Most books on T/A will tell teach you the same info. If any book promises you the key indicator to easy $ then put it down and pick up the one with no promises only education. None of these books will teach you how to find these stocks without recommending a service site that offers a screener. I would paper trade any stratagy first. Your young and with the proper education you can do great.

as far as people telling you they made $$$$$$ trading pennies, don't forget this is the net. It can be done but if it was that easy don't you think we would all be rich?
post #6 of 16
Loren,

I found Investopedia to be a big help in understanding charts/terms and the like. http://www.investopedia.com/ is the web address. You can even set up practice accounts there to test your skills and learn the process. I wish I had learned more about investing other than savings bonds and savings accounts at your age. I commend you for getting into it so early in life.

I echo the thoughts about watching out for commissions. I have Vanguard and the commissions are very hefty until you have over $1/4 mil. in your account. Vanguard will trade pennies, but they charge extra over their regular commission. At least they do in my situation.
btw... DD = Due Diligence (research)

Good luck to ya!
post #7 of 16
Thread Starter 
Hey yeah heres the story of why I decided to get into investing...

Anyway about 6 ish years ago, my moms company, shes the Assistant General Counsil, Sun Healthcare, SUNH was coming out of bankruptcy. When the stock reemerged on the OTCBB it traded at about .01. Take a look at the stock now. It was over $14 just a few weeks ago. Now they are making a major aquisition next week and it may go even higher. All the people around my mom invested menial ammounts of money in the company (10000 dollars then would be 14 million now...) and are now rich and retired. Like my mom says she works stupid. I dont want to work stupid, and I feel by starting early I wont have to. I'm sure these opportunities are one in a million, and the chances of finding one riding one and cashing in are similar to winning the lottery, however a lot of people did it, even my grandpa, so hopefully in the future there will be more opportunities lol

ANd as for the Vanguard thing... Vanguard allows me (through a custodial account) to purchase their mutual funds comission free. Like you said stocks would be incredibly expensive and thats where Scottrade comes in.

Do you guys recommend the Gary Witt CD? I feel that it is pretty expensive and I can probly get a pretty good feel of TA on the internet for free... So far the only books ive read are the Trading and INvesting for Dummies ive read each about twice lol
post #8 of 16
You don't need to pay lots of money to learn how to trade at alot of these seminars. In upwards of $4,000 for certain ones. There are lots of good books on trading and you can trade real stocks in real markets with play money on Investopedia which someone earlier mentioned. For T/A, books like Technical Analysis of the Financial Markets, The Master Swing Trader and Trading for a living are great I think. Don't get discouraged if you don't get it right away. It takes a long while before you understand the ebb and flow of the markets and even then it will suprise you just when you think you got it figured out. Pick out certain stocks and read their charts, try and determine where it will go in the next couple days or weeks. Check back and see if you were right or wrong. It's pretty cool when you're right and you feel more confident about your abilities. Last but not least one more thing to add CANDLESTICKS learn and use them always. I was skeptical until I got into using them and I never pull up charts without them. It's almost cheating sometimes when you are using them to determine market movement.
Hope this helps remember don't give up.
post #9 of 16
If you only have $1100 then leverage it on other markets like options, futes or forex.


SFOmag.com
Dr. Joe from stockcharts.com
Forex related message boards are heavy on technicals, you can apply most of them on stocks also.
http://www.leavittbrothers.com/education/
post #10 of 16
Thread Starter 
Awesome guys I will definately check out some of those books and websites listed. Using those books I have decided I will use a lot of papertrading and see where things go from there.

Which papertrading website incoporates the most realistic stock purcahses. For example I want to buy MSFT and its say 42.5 x 43. For maximum accuracty should I just use the ask brice? and ignore the current market price?
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post #12 of 16
Don't put the small amount of money you have in a monsterously speculitive penny stocks. Penny stocks are not worth holding unless you have insider information and even then it can be ify. Go read all the sad stories on this board. If you insist on trading pennies only buy them when they are in the process of moving up with increasing volume then get out before they come crashing to earth. If you buy and hold based on some amazing product or service you will almost surely lose your money.
post #13 of 16
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Originally Posted by Loren1711
Awesome guys I will definately check out some of those books and websites listed. Using those books I have decided I will use a lot of papertrading and see where things go from there.

Which papertrading website incoporates the most realistic stock purcahses. For example I want to buy MSFT and its say 42.5 x 43. For maximum accuracty should I just use the ask brice? and ignore the current market price?
Go to cboe.com for "paper trading". When I was doing my paper trades for day trading, I LITERALLY had a book with REAL paper... It was fun writing things down and counting them up at the end of the day, but the CBOE site is great. You can make a free account for virtual trading and can trade anything from stocks and options to futures!! I believe the whole system works on real-time quotes too...
post #14 of 16
Thread Starter 
ha sorry about the delayed response, been busy with school and usually get sidetracked when im on the comp but yeah bookmarked this thread

i look foreward to reading all the stuff on this page espicially amohedas and johnathon

hey amohedas, do you go to a&m? my cousin and my neighbor go there, ones a freshman the other is like a junior or senior
post #15 of 16
Loren1711,

Just for the pennies, I recommend you read the Guapo thread too.

http://www.hotstockmarket.com/forums...ad.php?t=36435

Guapo

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Originally Posted by Loren1711
ha sorry about the delayed response, been busy with school and usually get sidetracked when im on the comp but yeah bookmarked this thread

i look foreward to reading all the stuff on this page espicially amohedas and johnathon

hey amohedas, do you go to a&m? my cousin and my neighbor go there, ones a freshman the other is like a junior or senior
post #16 of 16
Why doesn't anyone mention The HSM bookstore?

There's a few charting books there I enjoyed. Charting made easy, Technical Analysis, 7 patterns...etc etc. Lot of good philopshy books, I got a good one for under a book called "profiting from insider trading". Describes the SEC forms like Form 4, 3 etc.
All the stuff I get is always the clerance section. Thinking of buying another bunch, time for elliott and fibonacci. I feel I'm missing something not reading a thick book on the subjects. Always good to see the same thing described a few different ways, helps sometimes.
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