Originally Posted by beylerbeyi
And you are telling me Islam tell them to do it?? I am muslim I didn't see any of that stuff in the books I read. If some monsters use islam for their own advantage (stupitidy, greed, revenge whatever you call it) are you going to blame whole islam?? I am not living in the dream world yes I have friends who thinks jews are bad but if I know 100 maybe 3-4 of them says that because of their education level or ignorance, But I was expecting the people here with little more education. Most of the people you see on the street chanting "dead to ......." probably they don't even know what is going on. So they are blaming your side, you are blaming their side, they want to destroy you want to destroy them what is difference ??? I personally look at their personality not their religion, because every community has bad seeds and good seeds. If you know whole religious history, if you know how cultures, politics, economics effected all religions you should know each religions has ups and downs, because people want to interpret the holy books for their own gain, you can't blame the religion itself. I said I am not going into nonsense argument but here I am. God, Allah, whatever you calling gives all of us clear minds to see what is real what is not
I applaude your sensibilities. However, too many of us see the written word of the Koran and are greatly disturbed by what is there. Come on now, you know what we are talking about and WANT A DIALOG ABOUT IT.
What is your background and do you speak or read Arabic? A little know fact to too many people is the Koran is ONLY taught in Arabic
whether you understand or not. It is my experience that in many foreign countries, like Indonesia & Malaysia, that this is a big factor in the knowledge base of the faithful - They don't know Arabic and ALSO don't know what has been recited to them.
In The politically incorrect guide to Islam (and the Crusades)
, Robert Spencer talks about a Pakistani man who was so proud of the fact he had memorized a large portion of the Koran - in Arabic - and could recite it the same. He also said that some day when he could afford it, he was going to buy a translated version to find out what it meant......... Oh, boy.
What do the following Surahs mean to you? Have you seen them before?
|"O Prophet! Make war against the unbelievers [all non-Muslims] and the hypocrites and be merciless against them. Their home is hell, an evil refuge indeed." (Koran, 9:73)
"When you meet the unbelievers in jihad [holy war], chop off their heads. And when you have brought them low, bind your prisoners rigorously. Then set them free or take ransom from them until the war is ended." (Koran, 47:4)
"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be to be killed or crucified, or to have their hands and feet chopped off on opposite sides, or to be expelled out of the land. Such will be their humiliation in the world, and in the next world they will face an awful horror." (Koran, 5:33-34)
"When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who have the good things in life and yet sin. So that Allah's word is proven true against them, then we destroy them utterly." (Koran, 17:16-17)
"In order that Allah may separate the pure from the impure, put all the impure ones [all non-Muslims] one on top of another in a heap and cast them into hell. They will have been the ones to have lost." (Koran, 8:37)
"How many were the populations we utterly destroyed because of their sins, setting up in their place other peoples." (Koran, 21:11)
"Remember Allah inspired the angels: I am with you. Give firmness to the believers. I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: you smite them above their necks and smite all their fingertips off of them." (Koran, 8:12)
Many of us would love to have a clearer understanding. Your help will do much in clearing the air, so to speak, in this matter. Are you game?