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post #136521 of 136697
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Originally Posted by exodus View Post

I am very curious to see how we close today. Right now it looks like the bulls are setting up for another push.
 


Been the same story for the last week or two.  Real decision comes end of day.  

 

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I actually like Media's cat pic.  That sh*t is funny.  

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Gold Price Action

 

Thought I'd share this with everyone since there's no dedicated gold section. A picture's worth a thousand words, stock charts are worth several thousand more. This is the bullish case. Seems to me to wait for a retrace to that blue support line to go long, or buy now and average down and sell calls along the way... or short heavy if it breaks below it. From the chart, I anticipate price to move back up at the beginning of January. Merry Christmas everyone!

 

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post #136524 of 136697

To slow for me today..no volume that i can see and algos firmly in control. 

 

Merry christmas everyone ..      remember santa knows if you have been naughty or nice biggrin.gif

 

 

post #136525 of 136697

I know who will be the top two posters for today laughing.gif

post #136526 of 136697
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Originally Posted by TheShortLife View Post

Gold Price Action

 

Thought I'd share this with everyone since there's no dedicated gold section. A picture's worth a thousand words, stock charts are worth several thousand more. This is the bullish case. Seems to me to wait for a retrace to that blue support line to go long, or buy now and average down and sell calls along the way... or short heavy if it breaks below it. From the chart, I anticipate price to move back up at the beginning of January. Merry Christmas everyone!

 


I wonder what the distinction is on why it's more heavily oversold in the winter months.

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Anyone notice the inverse head and shoulders on SPY since the October highs? We are sitting on the neckline right now. 

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So will we bounce of 126 or not? Looks like coin flip time.

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Its kind've ugly, but hard to deny. There a regression channel that its been following trending to the upside, that rolls right on through some upcoming resistance points, (not drawn on chart) ... good amount of upside potential for next week. But of course I don't just expect a solid, clean breakout. There will be shakes and tests abroad.

 

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I think we have the potential to break through October highs next week.

post #136530 of 136697

Christmas vacation started for me just logging in now (long night last night lol)...Anyways, I like how people post there entries and exits.  I use that and add stuff to my watch list based on that.

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Any options traders around who can help me if you are not busy?

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VIX up over 2% now.  

 

 

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Originally Posted by CanuckMom View Post

Any options traders around who can help me if you are not busy?



 

What do you need?

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Where do you guys see the Vix rising? I look at it and it's the lowest it's been in the last 5 months so where do you get your information from? I mean it's at 20.90 when I wrote this and touched 20.81 so I don't see that as a rise LOL...You people really entertain me some of you on this board.



 


 

 

Check it out !!!

 

http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=VXX+Interactive#chart1:symbol=vxx;range=1d;indicator=volume;charttype=candlestick;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=on;source=undefined

 


 

 

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Seeing that a few people here are asking about the VIX and their effect on options, and seeing that very recently we went through the yearly December option expiry, this gentleman's explanation, which you may or may not agree with, is presented quite well. It may answer some of your questions?

 

By Jay Pestrichelli   December 14th 2011

 

By the close of Tuesday the VIX ended below its 200 day moving average. Typically crossing below the 200 day moving average for anything indicates a new strength for a downward trend. But does this mean we will finally see the end of volatility?

 

Over the last few years the VIX has earned the moniker as the "fear indicator" for the market. And while it is comfortable to associate something we don't fully understand with one of the emotional pillars that drive the markets (greed being the other), there isn't actually anyone taking a real-time sentiment survey and reporting on fear like Consumer Confidence to create this index.

 

What the VIX actually tells us is how volatility is reflected in the options market known as implied volatility (IV). IV is one of the pricing components of options and the higher it goes, it tells us the more expensive options have become.

 

Options are used in many ways, but the two predominant applications are as speculation and protection. So as options get more expensive it gets more expensive for the dice-rollers to speculate and hedgers to protect.

 

So to close the loop on this fear thing, we can say that as options get more expensive so does the cost of purchasing options. But really it means it gets more expensive to be greedy (speculate) or to be fearful (protect).

 

When the VIX, that represents volatility of options, starts to drop, it doesn't mean the market is necessarily less fearful. It also means it is less greedy (if there is such a thing). Or said another way, it means that the market has experienced a lower chance of large swings in either direction. Perhaps its easier to think of the VIX as the surprise factor.

 

If that is the case, is anyone really caught off guard that the VIX is comparatively low right now? The market has been range bound now for the last two months. Despite headlines causing plenty of days with intra-day moves of greater than 1%, a great run in October only to retreat in November; the tops and bottoms are beginning to feel telegraphed for the major indexes.

 

What the falling VIX does tell us is that the market, particularly the options market, is not surprised by the moves over the last month, and option prices have dropped as a result. And the fact that it has now fallen below the 200 day moving average, tells us that there is less of a chance for a surprise than usual.

Does this mean that the market is going to be dull? Did we all have too much turkey at Thanksgiving and will we find that we've slept through to New Years? Probably not. While the VIX has some impact on the probability models of tomorrow, it is more of a reflection on how we got to where we are now.

 

If it were predictive in nature for more than a few days it would have done a better job forecasting the volatility in the second half of the year. For example, the VIX was as low as 16 in early July, completely unaware of the tremendous moves that were coming. At that time it was more of a reflection of the markets' perseverance through the Arab Spring and the tsunami in Japan.

 

So if the VIX doesn't help us predict, what can we use if for? Go back to the root of what the VIX represents, the volatility in the price component of options. That means the VIX can help determine if options are cheap or expensive on a relative basis. And hence if traders plan to speculate or investors plan to hedge, it means that it's cheaper to do now, than it has been on average over the last 200 days

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I am looking at the grand VIX not the S&P500 VIx sorry for the confusion that's why I had no idea what you were talking about. I use the Cboe as my indicator. 

 

http://data.cnbc.com/quotes/.VIX

 


 



 

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I don't trade futures so i am curious is it normal for the futures to be going up when the index is down?

 

the VIX futures index was up over 3% at one point today.

 

http://www.forexpros.com/indices/us-spx-vix-futures

post #136539 of 136697
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Originally Posted by FinancialDD View Post

I am looking at the grand VIX not the S&P500 VIx sorry for the confusion that's why I had no idea what you were talking about. I use the Cboe as my indicator. 

 

http://data.cnbc.com/quotes/.VIX

 


 



 




"Basically, VXX is not meant to track VIX, it is designed to track VIX futures, WHICH IS NOT THE SAME! The reason I ran a quick correlation and wrote this post is because I’ve noticed a lot of blogs complain how the VXX does not accurately track the VIX index. And that’s because it’s not supposed to."

 

http://seekingalpha.com/article/222549-vix-vs-vxx-correlation

post #136540 of 136697

Yep, Santa is real!

 

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