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post #135521 of 136697
12/17/11 at 9:09pm


Very true as we see it all the time..... when I shut off the noise and focus on the charts.. this is what their telling mebiggrin.gif
 

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Never underestimate the ability of the market to do the totally unexpected. wink.gif
 



 



 

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post #135522 of 136697
12/17/11 at 9:33pm
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Very true as we see it all the time..... when I shut off the noise and focus on the charts.. this is what their telling mebiggrin.gif
 



 

THEY ARE
 

 

post #135523 of 136697
12/17/11 at 11:30pm
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I guess that's why you call yourself Inverse Prophet! laughing.gif  

The "smart money" has influenced and bought the dips. A lot of people, totally discouraged, have since cashed out. Cash doesn't bring a return and there is a lot of sidelined cash that is looking for a place to go (grow). All I have read about recently are the disconnects in the markets. At this fragile economic time the conventional and historic methods of forecasting and trading like TA, EW, FA are now not that reliable, even the most powerful and sage and intelligent investors are totally confused. I'm going to rely a little less on convention and try to follow the "smart money". Instead of analyzing and understanding what just happened, in retrospect of course, is why I will try to be more prospective towards the next opportunity rather than trying to pick a direction. I think others will do the same, that's if they are not already.

thats how its done...new opps every day every week every month....
post #135524 of 136697
12/17/11 at 11:36pm
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Originally Posted by charulz View Post

yep.. i was actually being conservative. 50 ppt handle would put us flat to slightly green for the year. But based on my research, the 3rd year of a presidential cycle usually has the market up 8-10%, which would put the S&P around 1350+. Would be quite a rally if we get there to close out the year.

 



well this presidential cycle has been and is screwing it all up so i wouldnt count on anything based on that...one of the worst and inept fed governments we have had in decades there now doing near nothing...and with world economy the way it is all bets are off for any cycle regularity
post #135525 of 136697
12/17/11 at 11:39pm
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Originally Posted by InverseProphet View Post

Never underestimate the ability of the market to do the totally unexpected. wink.gif

 



so with most expecting and talking and dreaming santa rally the wise men should know better wink.gif
post #135526 of 136697
12/18/11 at 9:46am

Very good point.....times have changed.....for the worse.....no "safe" haven for cash anymore, that I can see.

 

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well this presidential cycle has been and is screwing it all up so i wouldnt count on anything based on that...one of the worst and inept fed governments we have had in decades there now doing near nothing...and with world economy the way it is all bets are off for any cycle regularity


 

post #135527 of 136697
12/18/11 at 12:35pm

Just one of the notable technical events is found with the USD .. a textbook cup and handle breakout comin off Dat Inverse H&S comin from a Golden Cross... now backtestin Da breakbiggrin.gif

 

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post #135528 of 136697
12/18/11 at 12:37pm
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Originally Posted by kevin1612 View Post


well this presidential cycle has been and is screwing it all up so i wouldnt count on anything based on that...one of the worst and inept fed governments we have had in decades there now doing near nothing...and with world economy the way it is all bets are off for any cycle regularity


Kevin, I think next year we'll really see how the game is played. This presidential cycle you talk about should be in play next year big time. I think that's why they're not doing anything right now because they're saving it for 2012. You say they're "inept" but I think they're intelligent and unethical. From the top right on down.

 

post #135529 of 136697
12/18/11 at 2:17pm
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Kevin, I think next year we'll really see how the game is played. This presidential cycle you talk about should be in play next year big time. I think that's why they're not doing anything right now because they're saving it for 2012. You say they're "inept" but I think they're intelligent and unethical. From the top right on down.

the cycle tho was referring to the 3rd year of a term and its historical market correlation which ends this year wink.gif
post #135530 of 136697
12/18/11 at 3:27pm
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Originally Posted by kevin1612 View Post


the cycle tho was referring to the 3rd year of a term and its historical market correlation which ends this year wink.gif


I forgot. laughing.gif See how I get cranked up just thinking about our government. biggrin.gif

post #135531 of 136697
12/18/11 at 5:49pm

Excellent (IMO) overview of the various factors affecting the world market... 

http://seekingalpha.com/article/314506-euro-crisis-or-alarmist-dialogue-amongst-the-talking-heads-and-where-are-u-s-assets-headed

 

post #135532 of 136697
12/18/11 at 6:49pm

Do any Canadians in here trade futures? I trade options and stocks on thinkorswim but they said in order for me to open a futures account with them I need to be a US resident.

post #135533 of 136697
12/18/11 at 7:23pm

This might be old news....

 

France’s AAA Outlook Cut; Fitch Reviews Others

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-12-16/france-s-aaa-outlook-cut-as-fitch-reviews-ratings-of-italy-spain-belgium.html

post #135534 of 136697
12/18/11 at 7:25pm

You can't trade futures on the TOS because of some kind of regulations.

 

Perhaps someone can recommend some other place that is good for futures. I know there are some on here who do trade futures.

post #135535 of 136697
12/18/11 at 7:44pm
60 minutes right now 'housing in the U.S.'
post #135536 of 136697
12/18/11 at 7:49pm
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60 minutes right now 'housing in the U.S.'

25% of all americans with mortgages owe more than the property/house is worth...suspicious.gif
post #135537 of 136697
12/18/11 at 7:53pm

Canadians i've come across use Mirus for futures.
 

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Do any Canadians in here trade futures? I trade options and stocks on thinkorswim but they said in order for me to open a futures account with them I need to be a US resident.



 

post #135538 of 136697
12/18/11 at 8:21pm

just 25%?....oh that's right, the rest of them abandoned their houses...

 

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Originally Posted by kevin1612 View Post


25% of all americans with mortgages owe more than the property/house is worth...suspicious.gif


 

post #135539 of 136697
12/18/11 at 8:37pm
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Originally Posted by OldFart View Post

just 25%?....oh that's right, the rest of them abandoned their houses...


 



thats huge...and yea lots more abandoned and even banks leave them...dont wanna pay for demo...most of the story was on Cleveland but im sure its not only there
post #135540 of 136697
12/18/11 at 9:35pm

Greeks fearing collapse of eurozone bailout pulled record sums from bank

Bank of Greece reveals that investors fearful of political instability and economic collapse pulled €12.3bn from local banks as Papandreou referendum threatened debt deal

 

Source:  http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/dec/16/greeks-fearing-collapse-of-eurozone-bailout-pulled-record-sums-from-bank

 

Not a good sign...  

 

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