Note: this is an idea for non-bearish index activity, or bullish opportunity. I have been keeping my eye on this for awhile now. Pretty close to all time lows, and looks quite double bottomish. Sony has a better product than any of its competitors. Let me state one thing first and that is, will eventually from an increased demand for TV's from developing industries by people that will be using them regularly, also be bearing the characteristic of a desire for the least harmful affects on their eyes? Does Apple think they can steal Sony's thunder? What about the people that truly understand their business model (SNE) and realize the quality of the hardware and actual display of TV's. Does Apple have something behind the curtain here that we are not expecting that hasn't been revealed in terms of their new 40" plus models? What is GOOG cooking in the kitchen? Can they continue to improve their integration on Sony's TV's? Sounds quite interesting to me, battle of the tech's? Are TV's going to come back in style like it's 1992? Considering TV's are computer screens and people now just buy TV's instead of screens from HPQ or DELL (Neglecting the joke assumption that they can even make a legit screen, LOL), will that change the game? Is there an industry in development that will require more TV's to be consumed by the general population? All of these ideas are cool, but which manufacturer of TV's currently has the best picture and longevity, or which manufacture has the best price to picture + longevity ratio? Does Vizio (WMT) think they have the game on lock? Does WMT really think they can keep up with the functionality and innovation of it's tech giant competitors? I would say that WMT cannot, or is the fact that their TV's are cheaper and not everyone may think about the best price to picture + longevity ratio? Or is there even data to reference such a ratio? Once there is data, what kind of effect will it have on stock prices? Going back to AAPL, they better be ready to step up to the big boys because going up against the duo of GOOG and SNE is like, well, here let me post a pic, sec.
(If you look at the numbers you can clearly see GOOG and SNE were multiplied together for the product which equals the human being that is not wearing red shorts.)
Clearly the above empirical evidence shows that Apple will have to produce a miracle demi-god like creation, such as:
The real eluding question here is what Apple pulls out of its magical gnome hat. What's my opinion? Reference the first picture.
Is that Microsoft I see in the closet playing choke the chicken or is he back testing some codes, I can't see really well I took too many rips, lol...
They are losing money because it is the TV business...... and it's their primary focus. All of the other manufacturers have other industries, you want to see some industry reports for the televistion industry? The industry sucks??, oh wait isn't this when I am suppose to buy? At the bottom, before growth starts... yeah.. Do you know how counter intuitive it is to say I have yet to buy a sony product for the last 10 years, proceeded by the comment: "I also avoid there prodcuts too bc therr crao". I am assuming you meant "their" and "crap." I think you need to go do some research before you try to flame me. I also wouldn't try the approach you just used: "I have yet to buy a sony product for the last 10 yrs, I also avoid there products too bc therr crao." I really don't understand the "And the last product people bought from them was a 1990-2003 TV" comment either, that doesn't even make sense so why say that? Look if your some Apple or Walmart bull trying to come bash then let's go, otherwise please post something relevant to the current discussion other than random ramblings that sound like the result of a few too many late night drinks. How can you even come at me like that, but not even say which producer has the better product in general and for potential growth? Seriously? Here let me quote someone for you..... "If past history was all there was to the game, the richest people would be librarians."
sorry...lots of typos bc of the iphone..lol
yea i dont believe in the sony story sorry...i think there too old fashioned and 1 dimensional...
i think they are a classic value trap with no recovery in sight...the tv bussiness is almost over for them as we dont have the same # of producers as we had in the 1990's...the Sony peaks..wher sny was considered the innovator..all their products are out of date and they are lagging to a nth degree...
and once Apple TV hits the markets...we can expect sne to get hit even harder...apple tv will be the biggest success in technology this world has ever seen (snd you can quote me on that)
like i said..these guys are RIMM ...which ever way you examine it..there stock price shows this
they are a classic value trap...
if your a big investor of sne..i recommend you watch the interviews that cnbc has had with the old and new ceo...he looked LOST...they practically destroyed him at the last tech show...
again its my 3 cents...i was also interested in sne..but after doing some research (and considering the VOLATILITY OF TECH!!) theres no point AND its not worth the risk to go from 19- 30...(if we get there)
they are also way to late to the tablet scene...way to late..
people think rimm was late...
look how shityy that looks:
they also have playstation...well lets se how nintendo did (histroy lows)..oohh not so good..thanks apple.. .
heres some leaked info on sne:
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/leaked-info-points-to-11-new-sony-smartphones-for-2012/
i think they are a classic value trap with no recovery in sight...the tv bussiness is almost over for them as we dont have the same # of producers as we had in the 1990's...the Sony peaks..wher sny was considered the innovator..all their products are out of date and they are lagging to a nth degree...
if your a big investor of sne..i recommend you watch the interviews that cnbc has had with the old and new ceo...he looked LOST...they practically destroyed him at the last tech show...
I am sorry, but where do you get the idea that the best product on the market, in terms of picture quality and possibly durability, are out of date?? There products are lagging? You can't just say random things and expect it to actually be that way. Jeeze, CNBC isn't trying to pump the apple bubble or anything maybe? And I am sorry, but what do you know about the video game industry? Do you even know why Nintendo is in the position it is?
"apple tv will be the biggest success in technology this world has ever seen" - Wow, this is so informing... sounds like a quote from one of the thousands of penny pump emails sitting in my inbox. Again God forbid you say something empirical instead of just of just pumping Apple for everyone that comes on this forum to read and misinterpret. "look how shityy this looks." Only a moron would judge a book, by it's cover, and thus in this situation that relates to some shitty quality online photo. That product doesn't matter even though, in the real scheme of things. Do you know how difficult it is to just start producing something on a global scale for the first time ever? Apple is so prone to having problems with their product, specifically due to the fact that it is technology.
Isn't this coming from the guy who hasn't owned a Sony in more than 10 years? lol, is this a joke, because it seems like one. You better hope that Apple can be able to produce a better quality picture, because I know damnn well my buddies mac pro, or Imac does not have the picture quality of his brand new Sony TV, which is sitting right next to a Vizio...
Really, do you understand the internals in the Sony TV or what makes them a superior product over other manufacturers? Considering the fact that you haven't even owned a Sony, and are just pumping Apple, I don't know why you are commenting.
Sony's fundamentals look horrible James. Just as bad as the quality of their products.
Let's look at SNE's situation here a little closer:
-They've fallen to last place in the gaming space, which is incredible given how thoroughly they've dominated for the last 16 years. There's no consumer confidence in either their Playstation brand or Sony's ability to protect their data. The Vita has been met with tepid at best reception. This isn't going to change any time soon
-Their movie studio is a dog. They've tried spinning it off a couple of times, but can't find anybody to buy it
-Their digital imaging division is in the pits. They have never been, and will never be able to, gain a foothold in this space against Canon, Nikon, and Olympus.
-Their home theatre division is not only lagging, but the gap is going to grow increasingly large. You are correct when you say that the CNBC analysts blindly pumping AAPL and saying how everybody is going to go pay $4,000 for an Apple TV when Samsung, LG, and Pioneer will have better TV's for half the cost are smoking crack. But let's look at this for a moment:
What's going to be the big "draw" to Apple TV? The ability to talk to it and use hand gestures to control it. This isn't actually an Apple innovation or product, it's the product of a company called Nuance. Why is this important? Because Nuance has deals with MOST TV makers to embed their voice and motion control technology into their next-gen televisions. Apple, Samsung, LG, Pioneer, Visio, Sharp, Toshiba.....do you see a name missing from this list? It's Sony. They're the only big-time TV maker out there who's not rolling out this technology. They're getting left behind. Couple this with the fact that their TV's are FAR from the best on the market as it is, that their receivers are bottom shelf quality (lagging far behind companies like Yamaha, Pioneer, Onkyo, etc.), that their speakers are cheaply made (lagging behind Klipsch, Boston Acoustics, etc.....even Bose) and that their playback devices are no better than much cheaper offerings out there, and this division is essentially in shambles as people are starting to realize that you don't need a Sony TV and a Sony BD player in order to make Blu-Rays or 3D work.
So what's Sony got going for it? A pretty impressive collection of music copyrights. That's about it. The company's not going to go under - they're far too big for that. But this is not a company that's firing on all cylinders or that is going to provide a sound investment opportunity.
They've fallen to last place in the gaming space
What's going to be the big "draw" to Apple TV? The ability to talk to it and use hand gestures to control it. This isn't actually an Apple innovation or product, it's the product of a company called Nuance. Why is this important? Because Nuance has deals with MOST TV makers to embed their voice and motion control technology into their next-gen televisions. Apple, Samsung, LG, Pioneer, Visio, Sharp, Toshiba.....do you see a name missing from this list? It's Sony. They're the only big-time TV maker out there who's not rolling out this technology. They're getting left behind.
Couple this with the fact that their TV's are FAR from the best on the market as it is
their receivers are bottom shelf quality (lagging far behind companies like Yamaha, Pioneer, Onkyo, etc.), that their speakers are cheaply made (lagging behind Klipsch, Boston Acoustics, etc.....even Bose)
"They've fallen to last place in the gaming space." It would be stupid to analyze such a thing as the video game industry. Really it would, I hope this doesn't need further explanation
"Because Nuance has deals with MOST TV makers to embed their voice and motion control technology into their next-gen televisions. Apple, Samsung, LG, Pioneer, Visio, Sharp, Toshiba.....do you see a name missing from this list? It's Sony." You realize that software is prone to a lot of problems correct?
Where does the innovation to picture quality come in to this situation? You and the other guy just say that Sony products are bad... Is that the best you can come up with for regards as to why their product has a lesser picture quality and durability compared to the other manufacturers (You sure sound like an Apple pumper me, you long or something?). In reality they have the best quality picture, yet you bash and can't say one model that is better? That specific idea of yours that their television product is inferior lacks evidence, so why don't you post some to prove me wrong.
Since you seem to say your knowledgeable on their products, judging by your comment that their products are as bad as their fundamentals, then deviates the picture quality of a Sony from the others. This is where you epicly fail. Their TV's cannot be beaten in picture quality, among other things. I would like you to prove me wrong on this statement please.
As far as the sound quality goes, anyone smart enough to buy a Sony TV has the intelligence + the money to buy a separate sound system, whether it be Bose head phones, like myself. I have a feeling you are not looking at the revenue break downs on what they make money from either. It's really cool that you can bash products that aren't TV's and also aren't relevant. I will again state that Sony applies their product innovation to quality and durability (TV's..........), hence the reason they have a better picture quality than all of the other manufactures.
So please answer my questions and more importantly put up some empirical evidence that shows their TV's are not the best.
Thank you lol... Analyzing the fundamentals is one thing. Doing both fundamental analyzation and price action analyzation to see the story being told and what is lining up, are completely different things.
"They've fallen to last place in the gaming space." It would be stupid to analyze such a thing as the video game industry. Really it would, I hope this doesn't need further explanation
"Because Nuance has deals with MOST TV makers to embed their voice and motion control technology into their next-gen televisions. Apple, Samsung, LG, Pioneer, Visio, Sharp, Toshiba.....do you see a name missing from this list? It's Sony." You realize that software is prone to a lot of problems correct?
Where does the innovation to picture quality come in to this situation? You and the other guy just say that Sony products are bad... Is that the best you can come up with for regards as to why their product has a lesser picture quality and durability compared to the other manufacturers (You sure sound like an Apple pumper me, you long or something?). In reality they have the best quality picture, yet you bash and can't say one model that is better? That specific idea of yours that their television product is inferior lacks evidence, so why don't you post some to prove me wrong.
Since you seem to say your knowledgeable on their products, judging by your comment that their products are as bad as their fundamentals, then deviates the picture quality of a Sony from the others. This is where you epicly fail. Their TV's cannot be beaten in picture quality, among other things. I would like you to prove me wrong on this statement please.
As far as the sound quality goes, anyone smart enough to buy a Sony TV has the intelligence + the money to buy a separate sound system, whether it be Bose head phones, like myself. I have a feeling you are not looking at the revenue break downs on what they make money from either. It's really cool that you can bash products that aren't TV's and also aren't relevant. I will again state that Sony applies their product innovation to quality and durability (TV's..........), hence the reason they have a better picture quality than all of the other manufactures.
So please answer my questions and more importantly put up some empirical evidence that shows their TV's are not the best.
All I'm going to say on this long, disjointed rant is this:
1) You don't understand what drives this company and
2) Go to avforums.com and tell people there that Sony has the best picture quality and that it's going to save their company. Watch what happens. This is a stock board, so I'm not going to do it, but suffice to say, your statement will be ripped to shreds from every possible angle.
