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post #161 of 245

im reading SHLD going private as the main reason for the rise....

 

i dunnoooo

post #162 of 245

ifff it doesnt go private...we gotto start heading lower and lower

post #163 of 245

outperforming apple..lol

 

goldman sachs price target  lift from 25 to 27...ahahahahaah!!

 

classic

post #164 of 245

What would happen if they went private?

post #165 of 245
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Originally Posted by cedargrove View Post

What would happen if they went private?



They would have to buy up all the outstanding shares. If a company is serious about going private, they want a lower stock price so they aren't paying a lot to buy those shares.

post #166 of 245
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Originally Posted by Bishop View Post



They would have to buy up all the outstanding shares. If a company is serious about going private, they want a lower stock price so they aren't paying a lot to buy those shares.

logical wink.gif ...if they take themselves private....other way around if private equity tkaes them off the market
post #167 of 245
What happens to the short sellers?
post #168 of 245
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Originally Posted by kevin1612 View Post


logical ;) ...if they take themselves private....other way around if private equity tkaes them off the market


Yep, I said they meaning the company itself assuming they had the cash or else private equity--either way, the shares would be bought up from all the common holders. I don't see it happening anywhere near this price.

post #169 of 245

I was messing around with the chart and transposed the recent portion up to fill in the gap when it fell.  It's probably doesn't mean much but I thought it was interesting.  I'm hoping that there is something to it, as it would suggest we just topped out.  I think tomorrow will tell us a lot.

 

SHLD overlapped.jpg

post #170 of 245

cedar how are you holding up?

 

looking like it might be the time to take the loss here

post #171 of 245

I planned on selling during todays low point, but then I had to actually do some work so I wasn't able to pay attention to it.  I got finished after the markets closed and was, well, any number of adjectives could fit here.  It's a valuable lesson, but I'm trying to take notes on everything I did wrong.  I'm keeping a trading journal in my notebook so that it's something I can look back on.  When you cut out I would have taken about a 250 loss, which I didn't want to take, now that sounds amazing.  I got into the trade without setting a loss limit.  I didn't switch my outlook to bullish to go with the trend, I kept thinking it should come down.  Hindsight is 20/20 but I could have played this much better.  When it got down to around 66 on Wed I held, I assumed we were seeing a least a little bit of a pullback and I didn't need much more to even out, another 1.50 or so.  I sold my calls the first time it got up to around 72, I made profit on them but I'm still way out.  I thought that would be the peak and I'd do allright catching both ends.  I thought about getting back into some calls the last day or two, but the options are expensive as hell now, the thetas are high, and the stock wasn't being predictable.  If it just held around 68-69 and I bought 70/72.5 calls I would have been even more screwed.  I assume, and still do, that it will come down from 76 or whatever it's at now.  Sigh...

 

If anything I thought it was going to stay in that high 60s range, because if you look at STX, another company which Eddie Lampert owns shares in (9 million), you'll see a similar pattern in the late december rise.  I thought it might fade slightly up like STX did.

 

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SHLDccdl22033980.png

 

My breakeven right now is between 63.5 and 58.5 at expiration.  Not feeling too good about that, but hell how much higher can this go?  I can't bring myself to put more money down on it rising,

 

I could buy 2 80 strike puts and be even if it hits 66 by the end of next week.  Of course I'm screwed if it goes up, not really sure what to do at this point besides eat the loss and hope it comes back down.

post #172 of 245

Well big day tomorrow, I have almost no idea what to expect.  I've been looking at the charts some more, a bit pulled back this time.  I tried to find some more hope and I may have found some.  I noticed a similar rise, albeit over a longer time period but it interested me either way.

 

SHLD Trend 2.png

 

Pulling back even further I hope we've hit a top.  All of their dramatic rises have been met with a pullback, but if it decides to widen out it's wedge we could see 90 before it tumbles back down.  Tomorrow will obviously tell us a lot...

 

SHLD Trend 10 yr.png

 

Also it was very interesting to read through this entire thread again, it appears Lampert has done this more than a few times.  Sells real estate, claims restructuring, poor earnings and huge gains.

post #173 of 245

I want to say that this is going higher because there are still a lot of shorts that have not covered yet, but who knows. Maybe a big player that went long will take profits and then the stack of cards will come falling down (imo run up was all short squeeze and minimal TA to it)

post #174 of 245

up at 77.35 as we speak.

wowsers

post #175 of 245

yea..dump out

 

ill take my 5k loss here..damn...damn..

 

im never shopping at sears ever again!

 

post #176 of 245

73.55.... come on, all I need is 68.5 and I'm good

 

Damn ze, just a bit too early, though I don't trust this downslide one bit, it could go up 5 points in the next 15 min for all we know.

post #177 of 245

Is it me or is it weird that the bid and ask are the same price but it's not being sold?  I'm assuming there is a simple explanation, after hours are still active.

 

SHLD bid and ask the same price.png

post #178 of 245
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Originally Posted by cedargrove View Post

Is it me or is it weird that the bid and ask are the same price but it's not being sold?  I'm assuming there is a simple explanation, after hours are still active.

 

SHLD bid and ask the same price.png


All or nothing orders?

 

Only thing I can think of :o

 

 

post #179 of 245

Yeah that sounds like a good explanation.  Now if we could just get some volume going on SHLD today this thing could hit 70.

post #180 of 245

Really low volume today, I especially loved how it moved up with so little to work with.  From 9:45 to 10:00 they were moving 100 shares a min.  Something is up, I would say the big guys pulled out but the stock easily made it back to 75 then sat in the same .20 range for the rest of the day.  I'm done trying to predict what the hell its going to do.

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