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post #1 of 54
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Does anyone else find it that more often than not the last 1 minute candle of the day is a very good forecast of the next morning?

In general, they also point very accurately to whether the day was buying or selling if the volume is high on that candle.


Edited by Anton Katz - 10/17/12 at 7:05pm
post #2 of 54

Never noticed but would be interesting to do a study on it by looking at the relationships. Of course I wouldn't put too much weight on it because a lot of things happen in between sessions with all the global news and data that comes out before and after the bells.

post #3 of 54
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Originally Posted by chhansen View Post

Never noticed but would be interesting to do a study on it by looking at the relationships. Of course I wouldn't put too much weight on it because a lot of things happen in between sessions with all the global news and data that comes out before and after the bells.

That's actually a very good idea. Let's do a study.

Calling what you think is going to happen the next day, and then a right call will get a +1 point and a wrong call will get nothing.

 

Then in about a month I'll calculate the percentage of right calls out of all calls and see if this whole idea has any merit.

 

Anything around 50% will mean that the idea is empty

 more than 65% - there's something to it

less than 35% - it's a contrarian indicator

 

 

I think today's candle is pointing to a higher open tomorrow, and limited upside.

 

EDIT: Depending on the complexity of the call, we could do 0.5 points for a relatively close prediction.

post #4 of 54

Truthfully man .... there are better edges elsewhere.  You're referring to areas where there's commonly people taking profits or short are covering positions right before the bell.  Too much can happen via futures until the next open.  In essence trying to predict off the last 1min candle is gambling IMO.

 

However, I did once read about a situation where people take advantage of institutions being forced to get rid of or buy a specific security at the end of the day.

post #5 of 54

I'm never looked into it, would be interesting though.

 

But I think WillTheGreat posted about the after hours action once. He said the action right after the closing bell on the SPY can give an indication to how the markets will be the next day. I never really looked into that either, but I remember the day he posted that he was right. SPY dropped right after the closing bell like 25 cents or so and the next day the markets sold off lol ...may have been a coincidence, but was interesting.

 

Would be cool to track and see how it performs.

post #6 of 54

My guess is you have a 50/50 chance 

 

post #7 of 54
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Originally Posted by Rock Sexton View Post

Truthfully man .... there are better edges elsewhere.  You're referring to areas where there's commonly people taking profits or short are covering positions right before the bell.  Too much can happen via futures until the next open.  In essence trying to predict off the last 1min candle is gambling IMO.

 

However, I did once read about a situation where people take advantage of institutions being forced to get rid of or buy a specific security at the end of the day.

Certainly. It's a shitty edge at best, and way too short term for me. Still fun to explorecool.gif

 

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I'm never looked into it, would be interesting though.

 

But I think WillTheGreat posted about the after hours action once. He said the action right after the closing bell on the SPY can give an indication to how the markets will be the next day. I never really looked into that either, but I remember the day he posted that he was right. SPY dropped right after the closing bell like 25 cents or so and the next day the markets sold off lol ...may have been a coincidence, but was interesting.

 

Would be cool to track and see how it performs.

 

This one, actually might work more often than not.

If EOD is high on volume, and the afterhours shortly after are low on volume, then the after hours action is likely to represent whether EOD was selling or buying

post #8 of 54
Thread Starter 
Lower open so 0 points out of 1

Though so far limited upside is there
post #9 of 54

Maybe in theory, but I doubt you can make money off it. You're forced to buy at the open so your spreads are going to be very high. Could be interesting to look into, but there are only 24 hrs in a day

post #10 of 54
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Originally Posted by ankhmor View Post

Lower open so 0 points out of 1
Though so far limited upside is there

Um, you should actually get a point, if you add back the SPY divvy payout, it was a higher open. Notice that SPY is trading below yesterday's close and yet it says +0.24%? There's your explanation. It could simply be a divvy capture strategy, but still, facts are facts (well, I guess not always).
post #11 of 54

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post #12 of 54
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Originally Posted by IchibomB View Post

I can't give out too much information because this is one of my edges

 

MM's read these boards, good call.

post #13 of 54

it's not about MMs. it's that this a business and you don't give away your success (at least without a price). 

I've given out and written so much about trading over the years on this board.

I would like to think I've helped out a little bit.

When you have a solid edge, please start a thread about it and tell everyone exactly

how it works. thumbup.gif

 

"those that know, don't talk and those that don't know...talk."

-Al Brooks

post #14 of 54
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Originally Posted by IchibomB View Post

it's not about MMs. it's that this a business and you don't give away your success (at least without a price). 

I've given out and written so much about trading over the years on this board.

I would like to think I've helped out a little bit.

When you have a solid edge, please start a thread about it and tell everyone exactly

how it works. thumbup.gif

 

"those that know, don't talk and those that don't know...talk."

-Al Brooks

 

No I'm being serious, MMs are taught to visit forums and chat rooms. I'm not trying to insult you and I've learned a lot from you ichi. My main strategy is actually derived from your posts (and Kyle's) about Ichimoku clouds and I never meant to infer that you aren't helping out.  

 

I'm just saying that MM's are known to look around to get an idea of what's going on so it's good that you aren't giving away your secrets. wink.gif

 

Ichibom is a god and I wouldn't have a strategy right now if it wasn't for you koolaid.gif

post #15 of 54

now you're making me cry 

post #16 of 54

agree with chh. this is why hsm is contrarian indicator

post #17 of 54
Thread Starter 

Well...

 

Just the last candle: Higher open, limited upside on Monday morning

I have absolutely no confidence in this prediction however

 

Including the afterhours: Lower open, limited downside

A lot more confident in this one.

post #18 of 54
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Originally Posted by Rock Sexton View Post

Truthfully man .... there are better edges elsewhere.  You're referring to areas where there's commonly people taking profits or short are covering positions right before the bell.  Too much can happen via futures until the next open.  In essence trying to predict off the last 1min candle is gambling IMO.

 

However, I did once read about a situation where people take advantage of institutions being forced to get rid of or buy a specific security at the end of the day.

Could you elaborate on that? Specifically, when institutions are forced to buy/sell and how you would find out.

So far, I could only think of one example - selling on completely unforseen bad news.

post #19 of 54

I think he was quoting some Zen Bodhisutra something or another.

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Originally Posted by chhansen View Post

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Originally Posted by IchibomB View Post

it's not about MMs. it's that this a business and you don't give away your success (at least without a price). 

I've given out and written so much about trading over the years on this board.

I would like to think I've helped out a little bit.

When you have a solid edge, please start a thread about it and tell everyone exactly

how it works. thumbup.gif

 

"those that know, don't talk and those that don't know...talk."

-Al Brooks

 

No I'm being serious, MMs are taught to visit forums and chat rooms. I'm not trying to insult you and I've learned a lot from you ichi. My main strategy is actually derived from your posts (and Kyle's) about Ichimoku clouds and I never meant to infer that you aren't helping out.  

 

I'm just saying that MM's are known to look around to get an idea of what's going on so it's good that you aren't giving away your secrets. wink.gif

 

Ichibom is a god and I wouldn't have a strategy right now if it wasn't for you koolaid.gif

Do MM's read Forums? I never thought about it.

OK, yeah I fancied the idea that I call it this way

and it went that way... Damn "They read my post"

but I always thought that was tin foil hat rotfl.gif

......? Am I getting the jist of this or am I totally off?

 

Also I always love to see investigation.

I think tracking performance of said theory worthy of exploration.

 

A flip of the coin is random,

but random chance too can be predicted.

Some would give heads 65%.

while it is well known with random mathematicians,

that spinning pennies has over 75% tails chance

and balancing pennies on edge and banging the table results

in a predictable manner as well (I forget the details).

My point is that why not track, Analise whatever you can to

see if you can get an edge.

That's what I'm told anyway, is what it's all about.

It doesn't matter sometime if most think it's futile.

Trying for yourself is what matters. If your wrong at least you tried.

 

I would suggest a spreadsheet. Last what? Hourly candle bullish or bearish. mark it down.

Record performance the next day. Keep a record for a year. Then get back to us.

JK, you should try to back date/test it if you can. Let us know.

post #20 of 54

in short absolutely not.. and i would not recommend anyone trading off the last candle..

might as well go the casino and put your money on RED.. because you will be.

 

AH settlements will totally screw you. You cant tell direction after the market closes.

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Originally Posted by ankhmor View Post

Does anyone else find it that more often than not the last 1 minute candle of the day is a very good forecast of the next morning?

In general, they also point very accurately to whether the day was buying or selling if the volume is high on that candle.

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