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post #801 of 908
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Originally Posted by rando View Post


What about the EU problems that aren't already known do you think will take us lower? Last summer our mess happened with the debt limit debate and downgrade coming to a head. Would a repeat of that sort of event crush the markets? I don't think so, the market has seen that song and dance, and now everyone admits these credit ratings are basically a sham. A full-on Grexit in chaotic style in the next few months would certainly hurt... but ask yourself what potential events would really take us that much lower? It's probably worth looking at some of the European index charts as part of this exercise, to see how far you think they would go down if things went from ugly to fugly. Part of this is a question of how much that isn't priced in is still out there. For now, it's beginning to feel to me as if the market has priced in all of the predictable stuff, downgrades can hurt intraday but have they really stung that much lately? So perhaps the market is shifting into the mode where it ignores garden variety bad news as we wait for the next big events to unfold.
As for charts, the SPY H&S that some were saying could take ES to 1275 or so looks a bit long in the tooth. And while the ES inverted H&S doesn't trigger until around 1345 (due to Sunday night 1342 high) the SPY inverted H&S neckline triggers tomorrow around 134.40s, which is easily within reach if we have a good day. I don't think it will happen, just saying it's now a level I'm watching actively on the charts, since it's close.
Does anyone else feel like the charts and the market action are hinting that this choppy indecision is very close to resolution?

 

 

No I do not think it is close to a resolution. A sideways chop or consolidation will continue IMO we have a trading range of 1295 - 1340..The bollinger bands need to come in a bit more then we will see a move.I do not proclaim to know which way it will go but i do follow the bonds and the dollar and neither one is giving it up in a big way i even commented about the TLT today refusing to back down..I am in the camp that smart money is in the bonds and until that is no longer the case i think we will go lower,it may not happen next tomorrow or next week but it's coming..

post #802 of 908

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Been real hard for me to flip anything lately, the choppiness has beaten me up a little the past two days. I have a SPY July 134/133 strangle. Boom or bust region right here in my opinion. Either we break out of the inverse HS or leg down on the smaller head shoulder.  

Markets a bit mixed, utilities and financials are normally the first things to start trading bearishly when we're anticipating a bearish event. However, if we are anticipating for a bearish event over the weekend I'm not seeing this type of movement. Or typical tech market leaders are stalling and sitting around or very close to support while financials and utilities aren't exactly stalling. 

 

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Looking at today's volume, there are a lot of puts being sold and not so many being bought up. While there's an influx of calls going out at ask or higher. 

 

My theory is we could potentially run a little bit as a possible bull trap or to give a false impression of a break out of the IHS. Then followed by resumed selling next week. 

post #803 of 908
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Originally Posted by WillTheGreat View Post

 


My theory is we could potentially run a little bit as a possible bull trap or to give a false impression of a break out of the IHS. Then followed by resumed selling next week. 

 

This will fit in with my scenario that we go another 20 points or so, but this next peak will be whats called a wave 2 top on the Elliott charts, what follows is a rather nasty leg down.

post #804 of 908

can someone offer insight into this question plz ?

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Originally Posted by tones View Post

does anyone think monday will be a big market mover day ? i want to get into a long strangle or straddle for SPY

 

how important is this greek election thing supposed to be ?

post #805 of 908
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can someone offer insight into this question plz ?

 

 

I for one do not think Monday will be a big movement day and the main reason is everyone is expecting it to be..The Election is way over played and neither side has the answers IMO...

post #806 of 908
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Originally Posted by StockJock-e View Post

 

This will fit in with my scenario that we go another 20 points or so, but this next peak will be whats called a wave 2 top on the Elliott charts, what follows is a rather nasty leg down.

 

What happened to wave 5?

post #807 of 908

thx davecash.. that's what i was thinking...

for sure going to be playing a weekly strangle before next wednesday though.. lots of stuff gonna be happening that day.. FOMC interest rates, forecasts &, Ben speaks koolaid.gif

 

alright since tomorrow is opex day and friday i'm gonna go get drunk and sleep all day. have fun watching paint dry guys.

post #808 of 908

I think he showed wave 5 on a chart a couple weeks ago, at least that is what I thought I saw.  Good infor SJ, please keep feeding in your insight, most helpful.

post #809 of 908

Definitely took advantage of today to take some small profits off the table and start manx to the sidelines in anticipation for the drop.

post #810 of 908
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Originally Posted by Rock Sexton View Post

 

Wait he predicted a 13 handle pop would happen in 15minutes? Or he was positioned to hold long to eventually hit that target?

 

One of my first posts today was I was looking for 27 today. confused.gif

I said pop 2 or 3 times as it was building. When I saw it dying off,

I said I was looking for it to pullback to 14. It pulled back to 14 and popped.

It's all good though. Luck's definitely been on my side because I couldn't predict

that exact pop, I was just posting what I was seeing throughout the day. 

post #811 of 908
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Originally Posted by BobK View Post

 

What happened to wave 5?


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This entire 5 wave down is now considered a completed down wave, or a larger wave [1] down complete. Lets put square brackets on that so its differentiated from the smaller sub waves.

 

This ABC correction higher will become wave [2] when it tops off.

post #812 of 908

I decided to hedge my /ES long with only 1 /6E short.

Doesn't make sense to hedge with a double bet even though

I'm up a good amount. If you have thoughts on this, please let me know.

post #813 of 908

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I think this bear flag would make sense if that was the case. Top off at around the upper 1330s/lower 1340s. Quick leg down to the around 1260 regions. 

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Originally Posted by StockJock-e View Post

 

This will fit in with my scenario that we go another 20 points or so, but this next peak will be whats called a wave 2 top on the Elliott charts, what follows is a rather nasty leg down.

post #814 of 908
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Originally Posted by IchibomB View Post

I decided to hedge my /ES long with only 1 /6E short.

Doesn't make sense to hedge with a double bet even though

I'm up a good amount. If you have thoughts on this, please let me know.

 

6E may go up for a little bit but hang onto it and set your target at 1.258 and then just watch it. Easy money. I agree with one position because the worm can turn at any time. Greed kills. Ask me how I know. smile.gif

post #815 of 908
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Originally Posted by StockJock-e View Post


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This entire 5 wave down is now considered a completed down wave, or a larger wave [1] down complete. Lets put square brackets on that so its differentiated from the smaller sub waves.

 

This ABC correction higher will become wave [2] when it tops off.

 

Thanks SJ.

post #816 of 908
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Originally Posted by StockJock-e View Post

 

Joined 2009, 8 posts?

 

You better start posting furiously! laughing.gif

 

It's not always about quantity, rather quality!  Or would you prefer some plain charts, or meaningless posts?  ;)

post #817 of 908

Ichi -

 

I'm not sure what you hope to accomplish with your hedge so its hard to say. If you only want to offset some of the possible losses if there is a big move against you (most often a hedge, but not perfectly hedged) I don't think shorting /6E is the way to go. Depending on the correlation of /6E and /ES a pip for tick move would be perfectly offset. Based on my limited knowledge of /6E, I assume it moves more pips than /ES moves ticks although in an inverse relationship like what you would want.  Therefore you are likely slightly to moderately hedged to bearside. I would suggest using a well placed stop vs. another future instrument to hedge when you don't know the correlation and even more importantly correlation under stress (which is many times different than previous market-market correlation).

 

If I haven't lost you in that dribble after a few drinks...

 

I wish you well my friend,

 

 

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Originally Posted by IchibomB View Post

I decided to hedge my /ES long with only 1 /6E short.

Doesn't make sense to hedge with a double bet even though

I'm up a good amount. If you have thoughts on this, please let me know.

post #818 of 908
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Originally Posted by NYC-Trader View Post

Ichi -

 

I'm not sure what you hope to accomplish with your hedge so its hard to say. If you only want to offset some of the possible losses if there is a big move against you (most often a hedge, but not perfectly hedged) I don't think shorting /6E is the way to go. Depending on the correlation of /6E and /ES a pip for tick move would be perfectly offset. Based on my limited knowledge of /6E, I assume it moves more pips than /ES moves ticks although in an inverse relationship like what you would want.  Therefore you are likely slightly to moderately hedged to bearside. I would suggest using a well placed stop vs. another future instrument to hedge when you don't know the correlation and even more importantly correlation under stress (which is many times different than previous market-market correlation).

 

If I haven't lost you in that dribble after a few drinks...

 

I wish you well my friend,

 

6E is dropping like a rock after a short move up which I told him would happen. It's working great for him. ES will continue up and he'll need a truck to haul in the money. laughing.gif

post #819 of 908

EW YORK | Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:41am EDT

(Reuters) - Stock futures edged lower after a gauge of manufacturing in New York state fell to its lowest level since November and was well below expectations.

post #820 of 908

Sitting back and can't wait to watch the amazing manipulation that OPex will bring today lol.

 

Holding $LNKD short cost avg @ 96.48 looking for the exit's here if it gets close and i'll be completely flat for the weekend.  Good luck to anyone today 

 

 

Consumer Sentiment consensus 77.5 actual 74.1

 

Consumer Confidence is biggest miss since February of 2006.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Costanza market right now so I'll be making future trades totally against what makes sense.  Going long $AAPL $BAC $IBM lol.


Edited by barbellman - 6/15/12 at 9:58am
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