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Global Gold-Mining Trends 2

By: Scott Wright | Friday, June 1, 2012
 

It wasn't long ago that global gold-mine production had fallen to alarming lows. In 2008 this bellwether supply source was on the heels of a 5-year 13% decline, offering the markets its lowest output in 12 years. And this precipitous plunge had left folks scratching their heads considering gold demand was on the rise and its price was entrenched in a powerful secular bull.

 

Thankfully this 2008 low would mark a major turning point in global mine production. And a powerful new uptrend formed that has seen volume rocket to an all-time high in just three years. According to estimates by the US Geological Survey, in 2011 mine production was up nearly 20% from 2008, to record volume of 2700 metric tons.

 

As I explained in my recent essay on global gold supply, this last decade's violent production swing was quite natural. Simply put, bear/bull exploration cycles take a while to work their way through the system. In the beginning part of our current bull we saw the aftereffects of a bear-market exploration cycle. And it wasn't until 2009 that we finally started to see the fruits of this bull's exploration cycle.

With mine production now on the rise I want to take a closer look at the inner workings of this major supply source, the source within the source. Where in the world is the gold coming from? As investors it behooves us to gain an understanding of some of the forces that are driving industry trends, the same forces that may govern the decision-making process of a miner looking for gold. Perhaps this understanding would allow us to make more educated decisions when it comes to our own investing.

 

Over the years I've done a tremendous amount of research on all levels of gold stocks, from tiny single-project explorers to the world's largest multi-mine producers. And it is always fascinating to see where the explorers are looking, where the developers are building, and where the producers are mining.

While I can attempt to gain somewhat of a grasp of geographical trends over the course of my own stock research, there is no better way to wrap my mind around these trends than by looking at country-level production data. And thanks to said annual data courtesy of the USGS, we can gain invaluable insights into global gold-mining trends.

 

 

Global Gold-Mining Trends 2001-2011 Indexed

 

 

The first thing you'll notice in this chart is 2011 estimated production volume, measured in metric tons, for the world's top dozen gold producers. And incredibly this handful of top producers accounts for nearly three-quarters of gold's total mined supply.

Since this production data falls across such a wide spectrum, in order to capture the trends on a single chart I indexed each country's tally at 100 beginning in 2001. This indexing allows us to easily visualize production trends, showing comparable growth or decline rates for these major producers over this 10-year span. If a country is at 125, its gold production is up 25% since 2001. If it's at 75, its production is down 25% since 2001.

 

In looking at the raw production data, it shouldn't be too surprising that many of the largest countries by land area are on the list of top producers. While there are certain areas that have much more favorable geology than others, naturally the countries with large land masses will have a higher chance of hosting these areas.

Interestingly about 40% of the world's land mass is contained within its six largest countries (in descending order Russia, Canada, China, United States, Brazil, and Australia). And of these six countries, only Brazil is not among the top dozen gold producers (though it is close behind).

In looking at the trends of these mega countries over the course of gold's bull, it is apparent that the results vary quite substantially. And provocatively it is China and Russia that have experienced the biggest growth over this stretch. China in particular has carved out an incredible growth story, with its production volume up a staggering 92% since 2001.

 

If you recall, it was huge news when China had taken over the world's #1 spot in 2007, dethroning long-time incumbent South Africa. And with consistent year-over-year growth, China has been going strong ever since. Even though its government isn't exactly transparent with the data it reveals to the world, there is no doubt its growth profile has been spectacular. China now accounts for 13%+ of the global mined gold supply, and some folks believe its 355mt is a lowball estimate.

 

Russia has also seen impressive production growth, up 31% since 2001. And coming in with record annual production of 200mt in 2011, it has recently attained the world's #4 ranking. Unfortunately the growth we are seeing in Russia, and China, is not something that stock investors have been able to leverage much since these countries are hardly hubs for foreign capital investment into their natural-resources industries.

In both countries the majority of the mining is performed by either state-owned companies, semi-state-owned companies, or domestically-based private companies that are in bed with the government. If foreign mining companies do try to stick a toe in the pond, they are faced with tremendous geopolitical risk. And as a result, there aren't many stocks out there that offer direct exposure to China and Russia.

 

The world's second-largest gold producer, Australia, has seen a modest 5% bull-to-date decline by 2011's tally. And its trend tracks quite well with the global production trend over this time. Australia's output consistently faded to 2008, off about 25% from 2001, and ever since it has been trending higher to where it is nearly back to par.

Investors have had great success with Australian mining stocks, especially early on in this bull. But there have been some issues of late that may put a damper on this gold powerhouse's plans to continue growing and attracting investment capital from the mining companies.

 

Unfortunately Australia is really struggling with controlling its mining costs (labor, energy, lower grades, etc). And to make matters worse, its government has been incessantly picking on this bread-winning natural-resources sector. Not only has it been disproportionately jacking up taxes/royalties, it has put into place policies that have been dissuading exploration. It will certainly be interesting to see if Australia can continue to grow production in the years to come. And this will no doubt have an effect on the flow of investor capital into Australian-centric mining stocks.

As for the two North American land giants, their gold-mining trends have been ugly over the last decade or so. Incredibly both the US and Canada have seen output fall by nearly a third to 2011's respective tallies of 237mt and 110mt. Their mature gold-mining infrastructures were just decimated by the secular bear that preceded our current bull.

 

Up until the 1990s the US and Canada's gold-mining industries operated like well-oiled machines, with the miners consistently putting forth sizeable capital towards exploration and development. Exploration was successful in renewing and growing the reserves that were being mined. And continual expansion and new development sustained and even grew production.

 

But with the bear laying waste to the price of gold into the 1990s, the US and Canada saw huge declines in spending. And unfortunately it doesn't take long for a pullback in exploration and development capex to put an industry behind the curve in reserve renewal and next-generation development.

This lack of investment in the 1990s spiraled into systematic infrastructure neglect. And naturally when mines run out of gold, and there is not a sufficient pipeline of next-generation development, volume can decline quite rapidly. And this is not the type of situation that can be remedied overnight. Even though spending started to pick back up in the 2000s, the lagging effects of the bear were felt well into our current bull.

 

Considering the large volume coming out of the US and Canada, their sharp declines took a lot of gold off the market. And ultimately these North American powerhouses were two of the biggest culprits of the global mine-production shortfalls that bottomed in 2008. Thankfully things have finally rounded the corner for these two major producers. As you can see, their trends are turning upwards.

 

While the US is experiencing its own renaissance, thus offering investors more and more quality options on the stock front, Canada's gold rush is something to behold. If you wade through the vast pool of gold stocks, it won't take long to realize that the Great White North has become one of the top destinations for juniors and majors alike. The gold miners have descended upon Canada in droves, and they've been wildly successful in making huge new discoveries while also reviving past-producing districts that were shut down due to economics rather than depletion.

 

Not only does Canada's vast expanse have incredibly favorable geology, the miners can usually go about their business without too much risk on the geopolitical front. Canada is well-renowned as being mining-friendly. And the proof is in the pudding with 2011 production up a whopping 21% year-over-year to Canada's highest output in 5 years. Investors have a lot of high-quality options to choose from in Canada.

 

Outside of extra-large production from the world's extra-large countries, size doesn't really matter as much for the rest of gold's top producers. The world's 7th through 13th largest countries by size don't even make the list. And with such countries as Ghana (82nd largest) and Papua New Guinea (55th largest) in the top dozen, it is clear that other factors trump size.

 

As mentioned geology plays a key role in the geography of gold production. And no country may have better geology than South Africa. SA's incredibly-rich Witwatersrand Basin has produced over 46k metric tons of gold (about a third of all the gold mined in the history of the world) from its massive high-grade vein systems. And as a result this country had long been the world's top gold miner, responsible for over two-thirds of global production as recent as 1970 (nearly 1000mt).

 

But as you can see from its latest production tally and the directionality of its trend, South Africa has experienced a huge fall from grace in the global gold-mining scene. Incredibly SA's gold production has been lopped in half over the course of this current bull, putting big decliners US and Canada to shame. At 190mt it has experienced an 80%+ drop in production from 1970 levels, to its lowest output in nearly a century.

Unfortunately South Africa has experienced a perfect storm of factors that has doomed its gold-mining industry. Lower grades, expensive labor, a country-wide power crisis, major currency issues, and a clueless government are among the many factors that have led to skyrocketing mining costs and widespread interruptions and closures of operations. SA is now an industry laughing stock, falling to #5 in the global rankings.

 

For these reasons and more, South Africa is seeing very little outside capital investment in its gold-mining industry. And this leaves investors with very few choices outside of SA's domestically-based majors that have been taking it on the chin for so many years. Unfortunately these majors and a handful of other SA-centric publically-traded miners have become the pariahs of the gold-stock circuit.

 

Thankfully some of the aforementioned countries and others have been picking up South Africa's slack. And as you can see, Ghana and Mexico have quickly made names for themselves on the global gold-mining scene. Over the last decade Ghana has quickly grown to become Africa's second-largest gold producer. Its miners have found great success tapping the famous Ashanti gold belt and newer parallel structures that are being discovered in the southern part of the country. And this has resulted in a huge upward trend that has yielded a 47% increase in production.

 

This normally mining-friendly country has long been an African anomaly with its stable democratically-elected government embracing foreign investment. And investors have seen some huge gains in some of the elite Ghana-centric gold stocks that have successfully discovered and developed gold deposits. Unfortunately the government has gotten a bit greedy, and has recently announced a big tax increase as part of its 2012 budget. This may turn off some investment and slow its rate of growth, but the future is still bright within Ghana's vastly underexplored gold belts.

 

Mexico's gold-mining growth has literally been off the charts. With 2011 production coming in at an estimated 85mt, it has seen a whopping 254% increase in output. Long known for its silver (the world's top producer in 2011, accounting for nearly 20% of global mined supply), Mexico has quickly become a mecca for the gold companies.

Mexico's large mineral belts have seen artisanal exploration and development for half a millennium, dating back to the days when the Spaniards sailed ashore. These historic workings have drawn out a virtual treasure map for modern-day explorers, resulting in numerous discoveries. And thanks to a mining-friendly government, these discoveries have translated into major production growth. Stock investors have a plethora of high-quality options that focus on this large Latin American country.

 

Speaking of Latin America, the lone South American country in the top dozen is Peru. And as you can see, Peru's output has been countertrend to the majority of the top players in recent years. Thanks to major development at some of the large deposits flanking the Andes, Peru had seen sharp growth out of the gates in this bull (50%+ by 2005). But for a variety of reasons (pipeline issues and geopolitics), production has steadily been declining.

Even though Peru has seen overall 9% production growth since the beginning of this bull, its nearly 30% decline since 2005 has scared off many investors. And believe it or not, other than the stocks of the majors that are operating a few large mines, there are only a handful of primary-Peru stocks available for investment.

 

As for the other countries that populate the bottom rung of the top dozen, investors shouldn't get too excited over their trends regardless of the direction. Indonesia's gold-mining industry is a mess as indicated by its violent zigzagging across the chart. A big chunk of its production is a byproduct of major copper mines, and the gold companies trying to tap Indonesia's rich deposits are up to their elbows in geopolitical shenanigans.

 

Both Uzbekistan and Papua New Guinea get the majority of their production from just a handful of large mines. Like Russia and China, Uzbekistan doesn't welcome foreign investment. And while there are some options for investors in PNG, high-quality choices are very limited.

Overall these global gold-mining trends reveal quite a bit as to where in the world the mined supply of gold is coming from. And as investors, understanding both the long-term and interim trends of gold's major producers can be quite useful. We can use this snapshot to dig into country-level dynamics, which will ultimately guide our research and feed our decision-making process.

 

 

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The Ultimate Gold Bull Peter Grandich vs. The Muted Bear Steve Palmer

 

Source: JT Long of The Gold Report (6/1/12)

 

Peter GrandichSteve Palmer

 

Is gold preparing for another shot up to $2,500/ounce heights or on the way down after being overbought? In this exclusive interview with The Gold Report, two respected names in the investing world share their arguments for what could happen in the coming years and how to profit from it. Financial Adviser Peter Grandich predicts a lot more upside while AlphaNorth Asset Management Chief Investment Officer Steve Palmer has a more cautious outlook on the shiny metal. Where are you putting your money?


 

 

The Mother of All Gold Bulls
The Gold Report: Peter, you have called this the mother of all gold bull markets and predicted $2,500/ounce (oz) gold prices. What is driving the price of gold? Is it China's growth? Is it a weak U.S. dollar? Is it global fears? Is it central bank currency printing? What's going on?

Peter Grandich: This mother of all gold bull markets was built on a foundation of dramatic changes in the gold market itself that began in earnest 10 years ago and propelled it up to where it is now. First, two significant negatives turned into positives. The gold market had basically capped due to constant central bank selling and producers being aggressive forward sellers of future gold production. However, starting with the Washington Accord in 1999, the central banks dramatically changed direction and agreed to limit gold sales. In fact, in the last two years the central banks have actually become net buyers. At the same time, gold producers have made hedging a thing of the past. Hedging has really become a four-letter word among investors.

TGR: What convinced companies to stop forward-selling their production?

PG: The gold market finally started to rise and people realized that companies that were hedging were making less money than companies that were not hedging. In the '80s and '90s, the old American Barrick was almost a commodities trading house rather than a gold producer because it used the hedging derivatives to make money. But the great mother bull market made that counterproductive and investors began to shy away from any company that pre-sold gold.

The other factor fueling the bull market for gold is the introduction of exchange traded funds (ETFs). They brought in an enormous amount of new gold buying. In the '80s and '90s, institutional investors found it cumbersome to take a large position in gold. Physical gold purchasing was not only expensive, it involved storage costs and carrying costs. People tried to use mining shares as a proxy until they realized that when the market went down, mining shares went down with it. ETFs allow people to have direct exposure to the gold price. ETFs also offer tremendous liquidity and the ability to sell at reduced costs intraday.

Central bank gold selling, lack of hedging and the creation of ETFs are the main reasons why the gold bull market has done what it has done. The gold permabears who have not recognized these changes have missed out.

TGR: Will those conditions continue?

PG: There is no sign of change. In fact, despite the permabears cries to the contrary, we saw in the first quarter that central banks continued to be net buyers. I suspect that when the second quarter is over, we will see that central banks stepped up again as buyers.

TGR: So, why are you predicting $2,500/oz? Why not $2,000/oz or $5,000/oz or $10,000/oz?

PG: I'm actually not a big fan of a target number. I'm more interested in the direction of the gold price. My feeling during this price rise has been that gold will eventually reach not only a nominal new high in price, but an inflation-adjusted, all-time high. Right now that is somewhere in the $2,300-2,500/oz area depending on what factor you use for an inflation rate. And, that's what I think is the minimum target that we can look for before this great bull market even comes close to an end.

TGR: How do you respond to people who say that gold doesn't really have any value, that it's not an industrial metal and its value is arbitrary?

PG: I give them a very simple answer. I have thousands of years of history on my side. Mankind, for whatever reason, over thousands of years has seen many paper currencies come and go. Regardless of the economic framework, gold was used to buy the things that were important while other means of value went by the wayside.

A hundred years ago an ounce of gold bought a good man's suit and it still does. There isn't really anything else I could point to, financial assets or oil, wheat or any other commodity that has managed to do that. So, I think it's absurd when people say gold doesn't have value.

TGR: What about the people who say it's in a bubble? How will you know when gold is overbought? What are some indicators that you watch?

PG: The definition of a bubble of any kind is when so many people have gotten so involved in something that it has been driven beyond any reasonable price. This gold market has surprised us in how high it has gotten with so few members of the general public and the professional community investing in it, particularly in North America. If this is a bubble, bring more on for me because there just aren't enough people participating in this. The only bubble I see is in the number of people predicting the end of the gold bull market. That is overloaded. Gold is not.

TGR: Well, it sounds like you are definitely bullish on the gold commodity price, but what about equities? Are equity valuations too low or too high based on where the gold price is now and where it could go?

PG: There has been a dramatic change on the equity side with some bearish developments. I'll go through them with you.

The first change as we discussed was the shift to ETFs for exposure to the gold price. The single biggest change, particularly in the junior resource sector, has been the adjustment in the financial industry from a commission-driven business to an asset-gathering business. A decade ago, thousands of so-called financial stockbrokers built their books of business on buying and selling individual stocks. Some of them specialized in mining shares. Each one would have 100 to 500 or 1,000 clients. That created a market for mining and exploration companies to get exposure to the end-user. That is all but gone now. Most people in the financial industry today are asset gatherers. They gather an asset, turn it over to a third party money manager and the individuals no longer buy or sell or recommend individual stocks. That has been the single biggest hit to our market.

The other thing that changed dramatically is the regulatory and compliance environment. In North America, the NI 43-101 rule required companies to follow specific reporting guidelines in order to classify exactly what kind of reserves or potential reserves they may have. Before that went into effect, companies could almost say anything, sizzle their story into looking like steak if you will. While it was a good change in many ways, it also removed all the sizzle. Companies are now very limited to how they can describe their resource, thus limiting some stock price growth.

The regulatory end changed as well. In the United States, it's almost impossible to find a brokerage firm that would allow solicited or even unsolicited orders on stocks that are not trading on the major markets, the New York Stock Exchange or the NASDAQ. Even though the Toronto Stock Exchange may be the fourth or fifth biggest exchange in the world, it's very difficult for U.S. investors and the investment community to buy and sell stocks that trade there because compliance departments don't allow it any more.

The holding time for private placement is something else that has changed. Private placements are the life blood to the junior resource market. It is where companies raise money to continue drilling and exploring. When I first entered the business, placements came with a two-year hold. Then it became a one-year hold and now it is only four months. A four-month hold brings more paper into the public trading market faster than most companies can demonstrate results. Therefore, it has become a depressant because that stock is getting ahead of company growth.

Add to the challenging equity picture the emergence of discount brokerages. Many individuals can literally trade for a penny or two share movement and make money. Before people had to have a 10% or 20% move in the stock before they would even consider taking profits. Now they think nothing of trading multiple times a day.

Throw in the political difficulties that mining companies have around the world, environmental and now even labor shortages, and you can see why there is a disconnect. Those are some of the reasons why even though we have had a three-, five- or even sometimes tenfold increase in underlying metal prices over the last couple of decades, but it is far more difficult now for the typical mining company to realize increased stock prices. It is far more difficult today for the typical mining exploration company than in any other time in the 30 years that I have been around them.

TGR: Do you see that changing? How will the demand for gold be fulfilled if it isn't profitable to pull it out of the ground?

PG: That is going to be a challenge. The bears have predicted that 80% of juniors are going to be wiped out because the gold price is going to go so low. That would mean 80% of the gold that might have been found will not be. That would actually improve the fundamentals for the gold price by decreasing supply.

What will happen is what happens in all cycles. Juniors don't really die. They become born again. They recapitalize. They change names. They may even change properties. But they never truly die.

The world is going to need new cars and electronics and that will require metal and energy and mining companies to find those materials. More than 80% of metals found in the world are found by small companies. If they are not around, who is going to discover the ore to build the world of tomorrow? That is why I still maintain a very bullish attitude toward commodities in general.

Add in the pressure for a store of value safe from increasing world debt and political turmoil and you have a strong argument for gold. So, it's not because I wear a tinfoil hat or sell log cabins or dry food that I'm bullish on gold. I'm bullish on gold because all the fundamentals point toward it still going dramatically higher.

TGR: If the juniors are having trouble finding love in the stock market during these record-high gold commodity prices, what about the producers? Are they reaping the benefits of a higher gold price?

PG: Not to the extent that they should be in the short term, but I know it will be all right long term. My bellwether is Barrick Gold Corp. (ABX:TSX; ABX:NYSE). It has gotten to a single digit price-to-earnings ratio. This was unimaginable when I first entered the business because mining shares traded anywhere from 30 to 50 multiples. When a major producer is below a general market multiple, but continues to do well on the corporate side, that is where the undervalue is in the general market. So, I think we're pretty well done in this corrective/bear market phase for mining shares. People have priced companies to a level where gold might have been 10 or 15 years ago. So, either the gold price has to come way down to match that or these things have been way overdone on the downside. I'm in the latter camp.

TGR: Do you have a bellwether for the juniors if Barrick is your bellwether for the producers?

PG: It is a much more difficult environment for the mining and exploration business than it was 20 years ago, even though the metals themselves have gone up a lot. Throw in all the political risk and the environmental, social, economic and financial challenges and I would have to say, "If I had a child I wouldn't want it to be a junior resource company because it has so many things going against it." So many good juniors like Sunridge Gold Corp. (SGC:TSX.V) have net asset values at multiples of their market cap. But those things happen at the bottoms of markets, not the top. The first focus of the market when it rebounds is on the companies that got way overdone. There will suddenly be a recognition that not only will they survive, but they will prosper because there will be less overall competition.

Sunridge is a classic case. It has positive news with new studies, a feasibility study and lots of new value created. There are lots of Sunridges out there. That is why I believe anyone who thinks there is a lot more to the downside in the junior market is badly mistaken.

Let me be clear: I do not expect a V bottom. I'm looking for an L bottom. We won't go dramatically up and it will take several months for confidence to build again through mergers and recapitalization.

TGR: You started trading more than 30 years ago. You have been through the wild ride of the '80s and '90s. What is the best advice you've ever received?

PG: Hope is a wonderful spiritual personal strategy to have because without it, it's very difficult to live. But, hope is a horrible investment strategy. When all you have is the hope something is going to get better or if I hope I get my money back rather than relying on fundamental and/or technical factors to justify that hope, then it's a very poor investment strategy.

The ultimate crime in investing is not being wrong, it's staying wrong. I had to look at myself in the mirror a couple of weeks ago and say, have I made that mistake? Have things really changed in the metals and mining industry? Have I ignored the facts because I make a living in the market? Do I need to stop being wrong? I made a conscious decision after evaluating everything that this was just another of the corrections that occur. That isn't hope. That is reality.

A Muted View
TGR: Steve, your AlphaNorth Partners Fund is a long-biased, small-cap hedge fund focused on Canadian companies. You've been on the buy side since 1997 and adjust your outlook and portfolio based on fundamental and technical analyses. In the last year, you have shifted to a more bearish outlook on gold and bullish outlook on equities. What changed your mind?

Steve Palmer: I've had a relatively muted view on gold for a couple of years now, not so much anymore though given the underperformance of both bullion and gold equities over the past couple of quarters. I'm not so much negative right now but, rather, I believe that there are better opportunities to invest in. So, in terms of new companies to invest in, the last sector that I would be looking in would be gold.

TGR: Is there some technical indicator on which that conclusion is based?

SP: I noticed that almost all investors had become unanimously bullish on gold, so sentiment was at an extreme. It's not quite as bad now with the underperformance in the last couple of quarters. But everybody you talked to was bullish on gold, and if you didn't think gold was going to multi-thousand dollars per ounce, they stared at you like you were from outer space.

The valuations of gold stocks were way out of line with other resource companies. They have underperformed considerably of late though, so that's more in line now. But it used to be that companies like Goldcorp Inc. (G:TSX; GG:NYSE) and Barrick Gold would trade at 30x earnings while Teck Resources Ltd. (TCK:NYSE; TCK.A:TSX) and Alcan Inc. [purchased by Rio Tinto (RIO:NYSE) in 2008] would trade at 9x earnings. That didn't make any sense to me. That valuation discrepancy has largely been corrected at this point, so I'm not as negative on those anymore.

That leaves two reasons why I remain not bullish on gold. There is still a lot of retail money that believes in gold as something that they need to own to protect against whatever is going to happen—inflation, deflation, death, whatever. It seems to be a cure-all for everything. The supply-demand picture on gold is not favorable. It's the retail money that has basically propped up the gold price, all the ETFs that have been created to hoard gold. I saw some data that investment demand over the last 10 years has increased 17% while total demand for gold is up only 1%. So that implies that fabrication demand, a real end-use demand, for gold is negative, negative 20% over that time. If you took away the investment demand, the picture for gold would be a totally different story. We've seen many times before how retail piles into an asset class, creates a bit of a bubble and when it gets out, it causes significant correction.

TGR: What do you think is a reasonable price for gold?

SP: I don't know. Because there are so many factors and variables, it would just be guesswork. It all depends on what the sentiment of the retail investment does that's going to drag gold. I don't know the timing of that. So I use technical analysis to predict shorter-term swings. I know there will be a big bust in gold at some point, but I don't know when it's going to occur.

I think it will still go up this year along with the other commodities, but it's unclear what will prompt the big downturn in gold. I would imagine at some point, if the equity markets are generating decent returns as I think they will, investors will re-evaluate their portfolios and wonder why they're holding gold, which is only costing them money because it doesn't generate any return like a bond or a stock with a dividend. It just costs money to store it.

TGR: When you say a big bust, how big of a dip could it be?

SP: It could be in half. A few months ago we saw gold drop $100/oz in one day. That just gives you a sampling of what could happen when things unwind.

TGR: What impact will any quantitative easing (QE) 3 or inflation have on your projection?

SP: In the short term, the markets believe that QE3 will be positive for gold. It remains to be seen whether QE3 happens or not. It would be beneficial to gold over the following few months if it were to occur.

TGR: You've called your "muted" view on gold an out-front, lonely maneuver, quoting Army Colonel John Masters: "Only if you are far enough ahead to be at risk do you have a chance for large rewards." How far ahead do you try to go?

SP: Not too far. Time is often the most difficult component to predict. In my mind, there is no question that there will be a big down-move in gold. It's just getting the timing right that is difficult. So I don't put on positions, hoping for something like that, waiting two to three years for it to happen because a lot can happen in the shorter term. On occasion when the technicals looked very unfavorable, we have shorted it.

TGR: Are you short gold now?

SP: Currently, we are not short. I don't think a collapse is going to happen this year.

TGR: You mentioned that one of the signs that gold was overvalued is that everyone was investing in gold. Do you consider yourself a contrarian?

SP: Yes. I try to be whenever possible because that speaks to that quote you just mentioned. If you're always doing the same thing as everyone else, you're not going to stand out in terms of performance. You're just going to generate the same returns as everyone else.

TGR: Has it been working for you?

SP: So far it has been working, yes.

TGR: What were your returns last year?

SP: Last year, we were +2.4% in the AlphaNorth Partners Fund. The Toronto Stock Exchange Venture Index was -35% and most of the small caps were negative for the year, so I consider that a big win.

TGR: In December 2011, you said, "Our strategy of avoiding the precious metals sector has added value over the last couple of quarters as gold and silver remain entrenched in the downtrend. Both of these commodities peaked in the summer and have continued to hit new lows since that time. We prefer to invest in other sectors with more favorable supply-demand fundamentals." It looks as if you've reduced your precious metals holdings from 11% to 6% of your holdings, but you still hold 20% in industrial metals. Are you more upbeat about copper and nickel?

SP: Yes, I am.

TGR: Why is that?

SP: Gold is not really used for any meaningful purpose other than jewelry, which is not a critical item, whereas many of these other commodities are. Once you use oil or copper, it is gone. Gold just sits around.

TGR: So are those industrial metals more dependent on global economic trends?

SP: Yes. The biggest factor would be Chinese growth.

TGR: Are you worried about slower growth in Asia?

SP: I think the concern over Chinese growth rates is overblown in the short term. I find it funny that the concern a few months ago was inflation in China. Inflation was getting out of control, so the government instituted some policies to control the growth and make sure inflation didn't become a problem. It was successful, but now everyone is complaining about the growth slowdown.

TGR: Other than industrial metals, what sectors do you see as more favorable and why?

SP: I have been focusing on the energy sector, the major base metals, specialty metals like graphite—those stocks have all been performing very well lately—iron ore, coal, all those types of commodities. The supply-demand outlook is much more favorable. You don't have a looming potential risk of all of the retail money unwinding out of the ETFs.

TGR: If you were to give our readers some investing advice for the rest of 2012, what would that be?

SP: I view this year as the time to buy on weakness. Don't get whipped by the headlines about the end of the world. There are always problems. When the news is bad is the time you should be adding to positions. Once these positions have a significant move as we saw from October to January, when the Standard & Poor's index was up over 20%, you should take some money off the table.

Financial Adviser and Market Analyst Peter Grandich started publishing The Grandich Letter—now a blog—without a high school diploma or even a day of formal training. His ability to interpret and forecast financial happenings, which once earned him the moniker "Wall Street Whiz Kid," has led to hundreds of media interviews. He is regarded as one of the world's foremost market strategists. He's also published a new book called Confessions of a Wall Street Whiz Kid.

Steve Palmer is a founding partner and chief investment officer of AlphaNorth Asset Management. Prior to founding AlphaNorth in 2007, he was employed at Canadian Equities, one of the world's largest financial institutions, as vice president where he managed the Canadian equity assets of approximately $350 million. Palmer managed a pooled fund, which focused on Canadian small-capitalization companies from its inception to August 2007, achieving returns that were ranked #1 in performance by a major fund ranking service in their small-cap, pooled-fund category. He also managed a large-cap fund, which ranked in the first quartile of performance among other Canadian equity pooled funds. From 1997–1998, Palmer was employed as a portfolio manager at a high-net-worth investment boutique. Palmer earned a bachelor's degree in economics from the University of Western Ontario and is a Chartered Financial Analyst.

 

 

 
 
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Jesse's Café Américain

 

01 June 2012

"Quite unexpectedly, except perhaps among a handful of long-time gold advocates, gold is quietly and gradually moving back to its centerpiece role in international reserves. Stretched and threatened financially, nation states have begun accumulating gold for the same reason private individuals do -- as portfolio insurance to cover a wide assortment of economic uncertainties.

What's more, this restoration has not occurred formally as a result of an international agreement as has so often the case in the past, but informally as a natural evolution in the way nation states think about and react to the long-term value of currency reserves. As such, it suits the times and suggests an authenticity that is likely to transform the gold market at its core.

In my view, this swing in the supply-demand fundamentals will come to be recognized in future years the most important gold market event since the Central Bank Gold Agreement (CBGA) of 1999 -- the accord that many believe kicked-off the secular gold bull market."

Michael Kosares, The Most Important Gold Event Since 1999, USA*Gold

 

 

Quite a few of the uncivilized entered the markets today, and sparked a rally in gold and silver in what appeared to be an obvious 'flight to safety' and also a powerful relief rally after the awful pounding the metals and the miners had taken into the Comex expiries and delivery dates.

Some of the dividend paying gold and silver stocks had impressive gains even moreso than the metal, with at least one royalty trust up 11 percent or so. Yes I flipped one from yesterday, and even trimmed my entirely outsized bullion positions bought on the dips back to something a little more 'normal' and comfortable. Of course I never touch my long term holdings in place since 2000. It is not raining nearly hard enough yet.

During hard times a solid dividend paying miner is hard to beat, unless you get lucky with one of those lottery tickets known as junior miners. When the right time comes I hope to be there. But for now I will play it a bit more safe. I see more potential downside in stocks until the banks step up and print it up harder. No telling how well they will fare against the splash from across the sea.

After a triple spiked test of support, the gold market went vertical today, marking perhaps what might be regarded by some of the more astute as a well-rounded bottom. I live for days like today. Much of this was due to a reversal of the sheer manipulation for short term gains, that broke in the face of the unfolding global currency crisis. Bam!
 

Never underestimate the power of the CFTC to stand idly by while the markets, taken in hand by the titans of Wall Street, degenerate into something that resembles a round of golf at the Piedmont Driving Club, or an impromptu fight club meeting at the New York Athletic Club.

Well, boys will be boys, in proportion to their toys.

Chart-wise follow through is everything. Yes we have a short term rounded bottom, and the potential for much larger formations including a broad cup and handle the likes of which we have not seen in quite some time. But do not underestimate the baseness of desperate men accustomed to having their way.

But first things first. We must see if gold can break the intermediate downtrend and then establish at least a broad trading range, which will form the lid of the potential cup. It could happen in a rush, given some exogenous trigger event and the right convergence of circumstances, but I suspect it will be a long and arduous climb, fought in stages and levels.

Chart porn-wise, the cup and handle, should it work, would take gold well over $2,000 by year end or so, and probably set up a new leg into the 3000's.

But that is all speculation. Time to do the hard climbing work for now, one day at a time.

Have a pleasant weekend.
 


 

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Weekly Wrap-up

by Ed Steer

 

June 1, 2012

Well, here we are at the proverbial brick wall...and today's price action in the precious metals was the bell tolling for the beginning of the end of all things. To predict what will happen from here on in is a mug's game, as everyone is making this up as they go along...politicians and newsletter writers included. What can be know for sure is that the gold, silver, platinum and palladium's time in the sun has arrived...and the 'powers that be' who are making this up as they go as well, are going to be hard pressed to put these genies back in the bottle...if they even try this time.

As you can see from the 6-month gold chart below, the price blasted above its 50-day moving average...and if this upward trend continues, the technical funds will pour back into this market and I'm sure some of them showed up yesterday. BUT, as Ted Butler continually points out...Who will be the short sellers of last resort this time? Will it be JPMorgan et al...or will they step aside? I'm sure that this will be discussed by all concerned parties over the weekend...and the Far East open on Sunday night should tell us a lot.

 

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GoldenBear..nice to have you aboard. Welcome.

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Thanks Stone. Nice to be here.  I'm happy to follow your trail of bread crumbs from RB.  Let's see how HSM works out.

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GB... I've got 6 different threads going....here's the 'home page':

 

http://www.hotstockmarket.com/groups/show/21/stonerangers-forum

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hey stoneranger, just curious what your thoughts are on gold and silver in the near term...

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charulz...depends onhow you define 'near term'..a week? a month? six months? For the longer term this chart says it all.

 

 

 

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Definition of 'Pennant'

A continuation pattern in technical analysis formed when there is a large movement in a stock, the flagpole, followed by a consolidation period with converging trendlines, the pennant, followed by a breakout movement in the same direction as the initial large movement, the second half of the flagpole.

 

Pennant



As can be seen in the above picture, there is a large rise in the stock, followed by a converging consolidation period that resembles a pennant and a resulting continuation of the initial trend.

 

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What I do is...on my quote tracker: http://www.quotetracker.com/  I set up 'watch lists' set to the price I think shows good support. I currently am following 225 stock/ETF/CEF's. When any stock hits my price I then recheck the current charts, re-evaluate the fundamentals, and decide whether now is a good time to get in. A lot depends my current feeling for the specific sector and the overall market. In a bullmarket maybe first support is a good entry point, in a neutral market I'd want a better reason to get in, and during a bear market I want to see double or triple bottoms. For example about 10-14 days ago I saw what looked like good opportunities in P.M. stocks. Many were hitting three year lows even while gold was showing a 70% gain! So I picked up Goldcorp (GG), Aurizon (AZK), Timmins Gold (TGD) and Brigus Gold (BGD) and all have been doing well. It takes a lot of time and work but usually pays off well.

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short term being t'ill mid July...

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charulz...depends onhow you define 'near term'..a week? a month? six months? For the longer term this chart says it all.

 

 

 

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I have no idea. The Fed could announce QE3 due to the bad unemployment announcement and gold will continue upward. The EU could announce another (the 16th) new plan and gold could sell off. Anthing could happen in the next 6 weeks.

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This is from Tom Gleason's latest report (yesterday) ....food for thought:

 

I get questions about gold mining stocks. Ive never owned a gold stock. The problem with  junior mining companies is theyre always

short of cash for project development. They get cash from investment groups but must give themwarrants - an ownership interest. A warrant

allows the investor to buy shares at a set price within a specific time frame. So, the junior mining stock is selling at $8. The company needs

$5 million for operations. An investor provides the cash but gets warrants so he can buy shares at $4 in the future. This process causes dilution of

the shares and basically screws earlier investors when the warrants are finally exercised. The company essentially gives up ownership in

exchange for operating cash. They do this over and over. The investor group skims off the profit, the management gets abig payoff and the shareholders

get buggered.

 

The large gold mining companies never seem to match expectations. They estimate many

millions of ounces in the ground but this doesnttranslate to operating reality or a rising share

price. Mining is a cash intensive business with huge capital costs. These firms hedge the gold

price to fix the revenue stream and then burn cash to get the gold out below the hedge price. In

addition, the management is continually finding ways to line their own pocket at the expense of

the shareholders. We re told mining stocks are a way to leverage the gold price. I dont think so.

Since 2004, gold is up 250% and Newmont Mining is at about zero. The other biggies arent

a lot better.

 

Owners versus Managers

This points out a fact of American corporatism. Companies are run to benefit the management;

not the shareholders.

 

American corporations have only one goal. It is

to build wealth for their management. They

certainly do not have the well-being of the U.S.

or its workers in mind when they send jobs to

other countries, which they will continue to do

unless we tax them heavily for this policy. This,

and tariffs on goods imported from countries

paying slave wages, are the only ways to build

permanent U.S. jobs quickly.

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Don Coxe-- Emergency Fed Meeting & Gold Backed Bonds

June 2, 2012

 

 

With continued turmoil in global markets, today King World News interviewed 40 year veteran Don Coxe, Global Strategy Advisor to BMO ($538 billion in assets). Coxe shocked KWN by saying that Europe is actively working to introduce gold backed bonds. He said, They would have the security of gold.” Coxe stated we could see this take place “within the next three months ... because this crisis is developing so fast.” Coxe also discussed the possibility of an emergency Fed meeting, but first, here is what Coxe had to say about the spectacular gold rally which took place on Friday: “First of all, a rally like this, you know a huge amount of it is short covering. The short positions had been building up on this. We were having one of the highest short positions on the gold futures that we’ve seen in a long time.

 

“The big story that’s unfolding is something I’m very interested in because I started writing about the odds of this last summer. As a result of that, I’ve been kept up to date about the discussions that are proceeding to try to find a way to save the euro, by getting at the gold reserves of the PIIGS countries.
 

“So, there was a paper prepared by what are called, ‘The German wise men,’ last fall. It was immediately rejected by everybody in sight.

 

They came back a few weeks ago with a revised version, where they came up with this formula where the countries would have the guarantees of all of their debt above 60% of their GDP (the legal limit under the Maastricht Treaty) -- they would be covered by a euro bond. And the countries who were getting this euro bond would pledge their holdings of gold.

 

This wouldn’t have the situation, where as Jens Wideman of the Bundesbank said, ‘We’re not going to use Germany’s credit card for those who spend too much.’ They would have the security of gold. This is under active discussion. I have reason to know they have been discussing it with people in the industry.”

 

This European gold bond is huge news. When asked if this was bringing gold back into the financial system, Coxe responded, “Yes, exactly. I did conference calls with people in our organization about this. I said, ‘Something like this could be unfolding because this crisis is developing so fast.’”

 

When asked if this event would begin to trigger a significant revaluation for gold, Coxe replied, “At this point, how they would do it, and whether there would be any revaluation, what it would be is security for issuing specific bonds. But, of course, once you do that, what you do is you break the virginity of the system.

 

Then you have to start looking at revaluations, you’re right. All of that will come. My own take is that I think there is a very good chance of this ... that within the next three months we will find that something like this has been done for some of the countries in the eurozone.

 

That means that gold will have been moving back into the (financial) system.”

 

Coxe also discussed QE3: “The payroll number, what this did was remind people that the figure who said the US isn’t doing very well at all was Ben Bernanke. The market quite correctly assumes that this is going to mean that he’s going to be forced into QE3. He won’t be fighting it.

 

But he’s got members of the Fed Board who, up until now, have opposed him because they thought the economy was stronger. So we have the combination of the eurozone, which may find a way to try to get some gold in to save its system, and we now have the reasonable prospect of money printing over here. In other words, the case for gold is starting to get quite wondrous.”

 

Coxe also added: “If the European stock markets fall a further 15%, and banks are going down in Europe, I believe there will be an emergency meeting of the Fed Board. This happened once under Paul Volcker. And they will make a move in between meetings.”

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Gold bushwhacks bears, again

 

Commentary: Why would Iranians be buying gold?

By Peter Brimelow, MarketWatch

 

June 4, 2012, 1:47 a.m. EDT

 

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — It’s happened again, looming weekends seem to be getting dangerous for gold bears. And, once again, gold bulls sense a major break-out.

 

Two weeks ago, after making a new low for the year, gold violently reversed. 

Last Friday saw an even more violent reversal. Gold for August delivery (CNS:GCQ2) saw a gain of 3.6%, and there was a gain in the NYSE Arca Gold Bugs Index (NAR:XX:HUI) of 6.74%. In contrast, two weeks ago, gold and shares gained only 2.41% and 4.45%, respectively.

Last time, gold subsequently lost momentum as May wore on. But gold shares did not.

“Trader Dan Norcini” points out on his website: “The last time we had THREE CONSECUTIVE WEEKS during which the mining shares outperformed the broader U.S. equity markets was in late October/early November of 2011. While the month of May this year has been atrocious for the S&P 500 (SNC:SPX) , it has been an excellent month for the miners. June is starting out on a good note to say the least. …”

 

This will be pleasing for the respected institutional service The Gartman Letter (TGL), which has been making friendly comments on gold shares for some time.

 

Whipsawed out of half its gold position Wednesday, TGL bounced back by establishing a long gold/short S&P 500 Index holding on Thursday. After Friday’s slaughter in stocks, this might be an idea that some of Gartman’s numerous institutional followers find worth emulating.

Another service that has been saying interesting things is Gene Arensberg’s Got Gold Report, which follows the microcap gold shares but does extremely sophisticated work on the Commodity Futures Trading Commission’s (CFTC) Commitment of Traders (COT) report.

After gold’s strong mid-month bounce, GGR published on May 18 a report entitled “Help Is On The Way,” drawing attention to the important move in gold shares that week, after a period of unresponsiveness.

 

Last weekend, after a discouraging week, GGR published a very long and complicated video discussion of the COT data (which is now open to non-subscribers on the Got Gold website here ).

 

Entitled “COT — Funds High Short Positions Major Rally Fuel for Gold, Silver,” this argued, with plentiful charts, that the futures situation was as extreme as in the bottom in the crisis of mid-2008 — which occurred directly before the global financial crisis.

This week Arensberg’s comment on the HUI chart is bold: “A monumental reversal may, repeat may, be underway. … This is beginning to feel like a real deal post-capitulation rush higher…”

 

Most letter editors are understandably focused, with horrified fascination, on the consequences of the death throes of the euro.

Perhaps that’s why a normally significant gold item got little attention, except at the LeMetropoleCafe website: Turkey’s gold imports in May rocketed 150% over February to 19.47 tonnes — the highest since summer 2008 and a significant amount in anyone’s book.

Middle East press reports say almost all this metal is going to Iran.

 

What could the Iranians know?

 
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Is Gold in a Bubble?

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Going for Gold in a Dangerous World

 

 

Interview

 | SATURDAY, JUNE 2, 2012

By ROBIN GOLDWYN BLUMENTHAL | MORE ARTICLES BY AUTHOR

Eidesis Capital's Simon Mikhailovich on why physical gold outside the world's banking system is the safe place to be. Understanding the Philadelphia problem.

 

 

 

http://online.barrons.com/article/SB50001424053111903964304577422321621057552.html?mod=BOL_hpp_mag#articleTabs_article%3D0

Simon Mikhailovich knows a thing or two about financial weapons of mass destruction. With a wealth of experience in structured credit, he co-founded Eidesis Capital in 1998 with Michael Sollott, after they completed a buyout of the collateralized-debt-obligation business of St. Paul Travelers.

The new firm focused on distressed CDO investing. Its latest such private equity-style fund, the $180 million Eidesis Special Opportunities III, had a net internal rate of return of 17% from July 2009 through June 2011, when it decided to lock in gains and return most of investors' capital.

Gary Spector for Barron's

"The politicians have no incentive to act...unless faced with some sort of existential threat." -- Simon Mikhailovich

Mikhailovich, who emigrated to the U.S. from the Soviet Union in 1979 with just $100 in his pocket, issued early warnings in 2007 about the impending collapse of the derivatives market, and the coming financial crisis. Convinced the worst is yet to come, Eidesis, which also is managed by Jim Wang, now invests mostly in gold bullion in various locations around the world outside of the banking system. To understand why, read on.

Barron's: What's your view of the current macro picture?

Mikhailovich: The U.S. has so far succeeded in going slowly to allow an orderly deleveraging of financial assets. But the policy measures—essentially zero interest rates—are like antibiotics. The effectiveness wears off over time, you need to take more and more to achieve less and less, and eventually they stop working. Our concern is that excessive indebtedness around the world is driving governments to try to perpetuate a protracted deleveraging, because short-term deleveraging is very painful. But there are some natural limitations. Interconnectedness in markets—now higher than it has ever been—has been created by disruptive new technologies, which aren't very well understood.

Try us.

One technology is securitization, such as CDOs, where high-risk debt is recharacterized into investment-grade securities. The other is over-the-counter credit derivatives, which are basically grossly under-reserved insurance. When you combine the government policies with the level of interconnectedness in markets, it creates a recipe for disaster.

What are the short-term chances that we see a meltdown comparable to 2008?

Chances are high. Although there's faith in the U.S. and its ability to help Europe navigate this situation financially, the U.S. itself has a big pending problem of the debt ceiling, of automatic tax increases, of the presidential election. There's tremendous uncertainty. Many things have to go right in the short term to delay the eventual resolution, if you will. Based on recent precedent, it's clear the politicians have no incentive to act unless they are faced with some sort of existential threat. A compromise will only delay the problem, because it's a problem of excessive indebtedness and you can't solve a balance-sheet problem without solving it, except by delaying it.

So the risks are greater than 2008?

Yes. The disruptive technologies and government policies have created an extremely highly correlated environment with all financial markets and all financial institutions. The risks were manifest in 2008, but rather than defuse them, government policies have since increased the interconnectedness. Too big to fail is now too bigger to fail. Northern European countries have been trying to figure out how to bail out Southern European countries, which increases their interdependence. The Federal Reserve is opening credit lines to the European Central Bank, and essentially supporting the ECB and providing liquidity to the European banks. Rather than enable a quick but extremely painful deleveraging, Western governments are trying to delay it by borrowing significant amounts to supplement economic activity. Debt increases the risks by increasing the interconnectedness of financial institutions and governments. Correlation is a measure of risk. That poses threats that have never existed before to the stewards of capital.

What can the government do?

My approach is what investors should do to protect themselves from the consequences. Investors need to examine old ideas about diversification, and to realize that both bonds and stocks have become much more highly correlated than ever. Investors should look for alternative sources of uncorrelated assets or assets whose value is less correlated, as opposed to simply looking at the price of those assets. The hidden cost of deleveraging proceeding without a blowup is that it transfers value from savers to debtors. It creates perverse incentives because it breaks the price mechanism, which is the most important signal in a free-market economy. We don't know the real cost of misallocation of capital. Meanwhile, people are making valuation decisions based on these bad signals.

Where do you allot assets if you are concerned about correlated risk?

There are two roles of uncorrelated sources of returns, or reserves, in a central banking sense. Reserves are essentially hedges or protections, they're monies or some value that is sitting on the sidelines that can be pressed into service if something happens and you need to rely on these stores of value, for two reasons. One is to protect the value of part of the portfolio, and the other is to have access to liquidity during market disruptions when you can profit by being able to buy when others do not have access to liquidity. We concluded such an asset is physical gold bullion—not paper or derivative instruments—held securely outside the financial system, which is potentially subject to a disruption like we saw in 2008, and geographically diversified to provide access to various markets, where the hope is that at least one or some of them would be liquid. That is a very intelligent way to allocate part of your portfolio to this sort of reserves.

Central banks all have gold reserves, and they've been increasing them. Recently, the Swiss National Bank announced that it holds its reserves in diverse locations around the globe. A spokesman explained that the main reason is to protect against a crisis scenario.

 

They aren't comfortable storing their assets in their own country?

A cardinal rule of risk management is, don't put all your eggs in one basket. If anybody is an expert in safe-haven assets, it is the Swiss National Bank. The U.S., for example, holds its gold reserves outside the financial system, at Fort Knox and at West Point.

We came up with a vehicle that enables investors to do the same thing. Our specialty is structured credit, and credit derivatives are mispriced because the rates are at zero and are subject to potential significant disruptions. We have just seen an example of that. Despite the fact that JPMorgan Chase was lauded as the most capable risk-management institution, it is facing potentially very large losses. Their trade wasn't a hedge. It was a very specific bet on a very specific set of outcomes that is not panning out.

Can you imagine another Lehman event?

It's just a matter of time. This financial system is completely unsustainable. The level of interconnectedness, the level of misapplied incentives is again unprecedented in history. If you were offered a game of chance where when you win, you win, and when you lose, you are given another chance to throw the dice, then, of course, everybody would play that game and essentially that is where the financial system is. That isn't capitalism. That creates distortions, misallocation of capital, and mismanagement of risk, and we are seeing it time and time again.

Should the U.S. break up the big banks?

The most important thing for the government to do is admit the truth: that we have all participated in overspending through various means and that our standard of living exceeds our ability to pay for it. As with any emergency, this requires a tremendous amount of leadership. Before you can solve the problem, you have to admit you have a problem. And it is critically important to restore the confidence of the population in the fact that the system is not rigged.

It's absolutely disgraceful that 2008's consequences haven't been the same as, let's say, savings and loans in the 1990s. Unquestionably, things were done that were illegal in many cases, certainly grossly negligent. By various fiduciary and criminal standards, we should have seen a tremendous number of prosecutions and successful lawsuits. The U.S. system was built on a very simple premise: if you take a chance and succeed, you reap the rewards of your success. If you take a chance and fail, you have to take the consequences of your failure. When you disconnect greed and fear, greed runs rampant.

What's the endgame for the euro?

I don't know; nobody knows. If we step back from everything that is going on in the U.S., and in Greece and Europe, one can say that the endgame ultimately is devaluation of financial assets. It is almost as if these disruptive financial technologies enabled overproduction of financial assets. They increased productivity and they created oversupply, and that excess supply needs to be liquidated. But the liquidation is what governments don't want to allow. So they are trying to support the prices of goods and services that have been overproduced, which are financials. That is the endgame. Greece has overproduced credit…. There is a huge vulnerability. What about Spain? What about Portugal? What about Ireland? These are irreconcilable issues, and the only way they can be reconciled is by printing more money for the moment. The ability of governments to sustain the unsustainable ultimately rests on their ability to maintain faith in their creditworthiness, and faith is something that takes a long time to crumble. But once it goes, it can go very quickly. Here is the paradox: Governments are borrowing more and more, and the spreads of government securities are getting tighter and tighter. So the creditworthiness is getting worse and the cost of funding is getting better.

How do you explain it?

Very simple. It is faith. It is muscle memory. It's normalcy bias, a psychological phenomenon that prevents people from seeing unconventional threats. People overestimate their previous experience and they underestimate future experience…. But there may come a moment when it doesn't work, and then what's a safe haven? lt is gold. It's silver, diamonds, Rembrandts, Picassos, real estate. It's agricultural land. It's the means of production.

But you have to consider the Philadelphia problem. In the movie Trading Places, the hero is trying to sell his very expensive Swiss watch at a pawn shop in Philadelphia, and he is told that in Philadelphia it's worth 50 bucks. The benefit of land and of paintings and other stores of value is that they are not financial assets and they do preserve value over an extended period. But they are not liquid during times of disruption. You can't get a fair price; they're unique, whereas gold is ubiquitous. It's divisible. It's measurable. It's testable. There is a global market for it. So you will never have the Philadelphia problem. You may not like the price, but it is never going to be a rip-off.

So, gold is going to rise over time.

The price of gold never rises. It is the value of financial assets that declines. Gold is a store of value. Gold is not an investment. However, in the current environment, gold can produce tremendous real returns because it's an asset that doesn't produce any cash flow. Its valuation is driven exclusively by supply and demand. In the 10 years through 2010, a study has shown, 80% of physical demand for gold came from emerging markets and only 20% from the developed world, and half of that was for jewelry. Developed markets that are the repositories of most of global financial wealth have had de minimis demand for physical gold. If this devaluation of financial assets proceeds apace and the moment of clarity comes for many investors in the West who realize they need to diversify into assets that can protect against devaluation, demand for physical gold has the potential to rise dramatically.

What about commodities?

It is very difficult to own commodities physically, and therefore you are subject to market disruptions and counterparty risk. MF Global's clients thought they owned commodities. They even thought they owned U.S. Treasuries, and they ended up being paid 70 cents on the dollar for their Treasury holdings. Lehman clients couldn't get full value for assets they didn't think were at risk. They thought they were simply in custody of Lehman Brothers. That raises another problem with financial technology—re-hypothecation—where banks make money by lending out collateral. Every asset and every dollar that is in custody in a bank, unless specific legal arrangements are made, is re-lent, and as we saw with MF Global and with Lehman, ultimately it is the customer or the investor who bears the counterparty risk.

Do you have any of your money in a bank?

Of course. But I try to diversify. This isn't about the end of the world. Armageddon is a physical end of the world, financial disruption is financial disruption. Many countries have gone through financial disruptions and had their currencies devalued and had all sorts of economic problems, even in the last 20 years. Russia, Argentina, Brazil—it didn't extinguish life in those countries.

But you're talking about a greater correlation between the financial system and these financial weapons of mass destruction.

They destroy money, not lives. Human history ultimately is the history of ebbs and flows of wealth, and the ability to preserve wealth over time requires a very proactive approach. Secular changes that disrupt technologies are traditionally very, very difficult, and many will lose. But some people will win. Tremendous wealth was created during the Great Depression. The idea is to position oneself to survive financially and potentially enhance one's position. 

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Gold & Silver Daily

by Ed Steer

 

June 5, 2012

 

 

Silver analyst Ted Butler had a thing or two to say about Friday's big rally in gold...and here's the 3-paragraph Reader's Digest version...                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
"As I mentioned in last week’s review, there had been a build up in the gross short position of the technical funds in gold, as indicated in the long form disaggregated futures –only COT report. I gave the numbers for silver but not for gold, so let me do so now. This is the category of trader that the commercials lured onto the short side by the process of engineering lower successive prices. This “slicing of the salami” was the prime inducement for getting the tech funds to go short and the commercials pulled it off this time brilliantly. From the time of the first drop in gold below $1,600 (early May) to this week’s COT, the short side of the managed money category increased by more than 30,000 contracts, from under 10,000 contracts (COT of May 1) to almost 41,000 contracts as of the Tuesday cut-off. I would calculate that the average pr ice at which the tech funds sold short these 30,000 contracts to be around $1,575."               

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
"As I tried to explain, this type of pure tech fund short seller is always a bullish factor in the market because once they are done selling, you know they will buy back as prices rise (as opposed to the commercials who rarely, if ever, buy back shorts on higher prices). You don’t know when or where these tech funds shorts will buy, but you know they will buy at some point. And they have a tendency to go through the door and buy all at once, if important moving average signals are flashed. Those signals were flashed on Friday and it was tech fund buying that was solely responsible for the explosion in gold prices. The only thing I don’t know is if all 30,000 tech fund short contracts were bought back or is there some number remaining to be bought (the more remaining to be covered, the better). Of course, this tech fund short-covering is separate from the buying of long contracts by other tech funds. As always, this is what moves prices."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
"If the tech funds bought back these 30,000 gold short contracts at prices where the majority of volume was transacted on Friday, I would calculate that the tech funds lost (or will lose) up to $150 million. Not bad for one day’s pay for the commercials who made or improved their bottom lines by that same amount, even if it needs to be split 30 or 40 ways. And this is just a partial take for the commercials on a single trade that occurred within a month’s period of time. It was a pretty big one, but just a single ringing of the commercials’ collusive cash register. This is a cash machine that has been rung hundreds of times over the years, to the great shame of the regulators."                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         

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I don't often recommend individual stocks but if you are looking for a junior miner with upside....Brigus Gold Corp. (BRD) looks pretty good here. Excellent fundamentals (most junior miner have lousy fundies). They are a profitable junior producer and the chart really looks good here..nice double bottom.

 

Brigus Gold reports Q1 gold production up 93% to 16,922 vs. 8,773 in 1Q11

 

First Quarter 2012 Financial Highlights

  • Gold sales improved by 60% to 16,033 ounces compared to 10,003 in Q1-11.
  • Operating margin increased 191% to $753 per ounce in Q1-12 from $259 per ounce in the prior year.
  • Cash flow from operations, before working capital adjustments, was $9.9 million during Q1-12, compared to $0.7 million in Q1-11.
  • Cash costs decreased to $858 per ounce, a 22% reduction from Q1-11 and 11% lower than Q1-12 guidance of $962.

 

First Quarter 2012 Operational Highlights

  • Gold production increased by 93% to 16,922 compared to 8,773 in Q1-11.
  • Underground production steadily improved during the quarter with average grade increased by 95% to 5.28 gpt compared to 2.71 gpt in Q4-11.
  • The open pit mined 220,580 ore tonnes at an average grade of 2.29 gpt, a 60% increase over the ore tonnes mined in Q4-11.
  • The Black Fox Mill processed 180,965 tonnes of ore, at a grade of 3.04 gpt and a recovery of 95.7%.
  • Continued positive drilling results from Grey Fox including 5.95 gpt over 56.7 m and 26.83 gpt over 15.50 m during the quarter.

 

 

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Looks good.. who knows...I'm in at $.75

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