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Sunday’s elections in France and Greece, may have represented a mark in the current economic situation in Europe. Positive or negative? Here’s the real question, whose answer depends on the motivations of each observer.

As an employee, I see this change to the left by one of the major European economies with satisfaction. Certainly, henceforth the pressure on the node that embraces the throats of millions of public employees by the various countries of the Eurozone will be reduced. Nobody believes that austerity will cease, but certainly will tend to slow the galloping pace of the last months.

 

As an investor, this change worries me. Contrary to what we were made to believe, workers’ rights are inversely proportional to companies’ profits. This couldn’t be (?) otherwise, given that the cost of labor is one of the heaviest bills in the organizations’ balance.
Many other investors think similarly, and begin to see these changes as a subtraction on the companies’ results, especially those who have taken advantage from this crisis. But, are there so many companies gaining with the crisis and the austerity? If fewer rights represent savings on salaries, they also represent a decrease in the consumers’ purchasing power and consequent breaks in the business, especially on the products and services companies. And from this standpoint, the focus on investment could even be economically attractive in the medium / long term!

 

After all, what means this change in France? It brings, first of all, some hope. And hope can move mountains, such as motivation and acknowledgment (concepts that have fallen into disuse or were never properly used, and that could help answer the question subtly brought up above). It will also bring some moderation to the maneuvers planned by the austere Merkosy axis. And if there were no certainties about the effectiveness of such an aggressive austerity, time is showing us that in fact something else is needed, some softness, some investment between this erratic shots. My apprehension is that Mrs. Merkel also fall (apprehension and desire, we’re so tired of her!), transforming this economist Europe in a Europe too socialist, returning to the excesses of the pas, responsible for all this situation.

Anyway, it is necessary to change something! Let’s pass then to Plan B, guinea pigs are already realigned …
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post #2 of 15

Hope?  ...or wishful thinking?

 

 

Most "Democracy Now!" Socialists don't know the difference.

post #3 of 15
Thread Starter 

And that's a big part of the problem...
 

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Here's T1-

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I think that the changes in France will make some stabilization in Europe. The new president of France Francois Hollande wants to rise the economy by reforming the European financial system and take bigger control over the Greece which needs more and more money. Also to create the European rating agency (it will help to avoid speculations from the non European agencies). Socialists are rising up and not only in France. Socialist movements are very active in Germany, Grate Britain and Poland. It is not a bad sign, they are not the socialists known as those from the Cold War or nowadays Cuba. Today European socialists are wide open on the world trade and peoples wealthiness. In my opinion the political and economic situation in Europe will settle down soon and catch the eyes of the investors much more than before.

 

By the way do you think that Poland is a country worth of invest now? I heard that during the last year crisis Poland was the only one in Europe which rose it's economy.

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Originally Posted by Techunter View Post

Hope?  ...or wishful thinking?

 

 

Most "Democracy Now!" Socialists don't know the difference.

 

Do you know what socialist means because it doesn't appear so.

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Originally Posted by binks View Post

 

Do you know what socialist means because it doesn't appear so.

I have a hunch YOU might need an education yourself in 3rd WAY Socialism.

 

Read on.....

http://dsausa.org/dsa.html

 

 

 

BTW, before Soros petitioned the FEC to get special dispensation

to HIDE his member Roster, there were 63 members of Congress

that belonged to this Socialist/Communist Org...ALL of them, DEMOCRATS.

 

 

Socialism is an economic system and

Communism is Political power behind it.

They LOVE  Pure Democracy because it

amounts to a dictatorship that the Ultra-

stupid even vote in favor for.... Until it turns

into something completely different they didn't

bargain on getting.

 

 

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Steve81 View Post

I think that the changes in France will make some stabilization in Europe. The new president of France Francois Hollande wants to rise the economy by reforming the European financial system and take bigger control over the Greece which needs more and more money. Also to create the European rating agency (it will help to avoid speculations from the non European agencies). Socialists are rising up and not only in France. Socialist movements are very active in Germany, Grate Britain and Poland. It is not a bad sign, they are not the socialists known as those from the Cold War or nowadays Cuba. Today European socialists are wide open on the world trade and peoples wealthiness. In my opinion the political and economic situation in Europe will settle down soon and catch the eyes of the investors much more than before.

 

By the way do you think that Poland is a country worth of invest now? I heard that during the last year crisis Poland was the only one in Europe which rose it's economy.

Sounds like you are reciting the current Jizz wad of WISHFUL THINKING circulating the net.

 

 

 

The E.U. will collapse if not get propped up by some last minute phony financing.

It will eventually collapse anyway.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I see that you are very averse to the EU economy. I'd like to make it clear. Greece problem covers only Greece. If they want changes they will stay in EU if not go their own way. Financial issues started because of this country. The EU role is to give the financial help to those countries which need it. Germany, France, Grate Britain, Netherlands are going to grow the European economy which is still rising up since last year. Thanks to the EU organization those lands can develop better cooperation which they will never achieve alone. The EU plays the role of a huge bank which evolves its children.
European Union won't collapse down and doesn't need any special financial support because it's, on its own a financial backup.

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Originally Posted by Steve81 View Post

I see that you are very averse to the EU economy. I'd like to make it clear. Greece problem covers only Greece. If they want changes they will stay in EU if not go their own way. Financial issues started because of this country. The EU role is to give the financial help to those countries which need it. Germany, France, Grate Britain, Netherlands are going to grow the European economy which is still rising up since last year. Thanks to the EU organization those lands can develop better cooperation which they will never achieve alone. The EU plays the role of a huge bank which evolves its children.
European Union won't collapse down and doesn't need any special financial support because it's, on its own a financial backup.

 

Buying junk paper from the Fannie & Freddie CON GAME isn't a backup.

They all recently did it again.  Insanity.....

 

They are not the money wizards you think they are.

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Steve81 View Post

I see that you are very averse to the EU economy. I'd like to make it clear. Greece problem covers only Greece. If they want changes they will stay in EU if not go their own way. Financial issues started because of this country. The EU role is to give the financial help to those countries which need it. Germany, France, Grate Britain, Netherlands are going to grow the European economy which is still rising up since last year. Thanks to the EU organization those lands can develop better cooperation which they will never achieve alone. The EU plays the role of a huge bank which evolves its children.
European Union won't collapse down and doesn't need any special financial support because it's, on its own a financial backup.

 

  Comment Re: "Greece problems covers only Greece" If so why is Germany and the others so upset with the Greek elections? Did the past decade of harmonizing economies and dissolving border crossings happen everywhere but there? Did globalization some how y pass all of the Grecian economy?? Better phone up B.N.N and let them know that they do not have to report every little hiccup that comes from Greece.        

                  Re: "Financial issues started because of this country" So the Portuguese Spanish and Italians all caught the flu from Greece

like MONO going around a highschool eh!

 

                  Re: "The EU plays the role of a huge bank that evolves its children"  Does Greece need a time out..does Spain need a spanking ...are the children bothering daddy again?? That is the  same elitist attitude that got Europe into trouble a few years ago...in 1945!! 

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You gotta love the Daily Mail!  They just don't sugar coat it to

apease Obama and other fellow SOCIALISTS!

 

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'Beware a rerun of the Great Panic of 2008':

Head of World Bank warns Europe is heading for

'danger zone' as world markets suffer bleakest

day of the year so far

  • Robert Zoellick: 'Far from clear leaders ready for impending catastrophe'
  • Raft of dismal news from around world wreaked havoc on market
  • Manufacturing output crashed in Britain, jobless up in Europe and U.S.
  • Fast-emerging economies such as Brazil and China running out of steam

By Hugo Duncan

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World Bank President Robert Zoellick

Warning: Robert Zoellick said Europe is heading to the 'danger zone'

The head of the World Bank yesterday warned that financial markets face a rerun of the Great Panic of 2008.

On the bleakest day for the global economy this year,  Robert Zoellick said crisis-torn Europe was heading for the ‘danger zone’.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2153324/Markets-facing-rerun-Great-Panic-2008-Head-World-Bank-warns-Europe-heading-danger-zone-bleakest-day-global-economy-year.html#ixzz1wbH7cDTh

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Originally Posted by Steve81 View Post

I see that you are very averse to the EU economy. I'd like to make it clear. Greece problem covers only Greece. If they want changes they will stay in EU if not go their own way. Financial issues started because of this country. The EU role is to give the financial help to those countries which need it. Germany, France, Grate Britain, Netherlands are going to grow the European economy which is still rising up since last year. Thanks to the EU organization those lands can develop better cooperation which they will never achieve alone. The EU plays the role of a huge bank which evolves its children.
European Union won't collapse down and doesn't need any special financial support because it's, on its own a financial backup.

 

Steve, are you a PAID poster trying to get the SOCIALIST MESSAGE OUT?

 

 

 

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Rating...........2 1/2 stars out of 5.

                      Conclusions           IMF...bad...Socialism...good

                                                     Man with golden sack...bad...Chazez and Correa...good

                                                     Euro...bad...food stamps...good.

                       Results...(moot)    Greeks vote to stay.

          Facts and opinions...on par with a 1st year poli-sci student report.

 

          Mediocre documentary filled with lots of the usual intellectual left wingers. ( to be fair most right wing docs are sub par as well.. filled with right wing experts)

          To much time spent on old cartoon footage. (Where was George Jetson? any way.)

           To much time spent on usual footage of mobs in Athens, homeless sleeping in the street.

     Would not recommend this as a promotional film for Greek tourism...were are all the happy fiddlers and Mama Mia... oh yes ...they all moved to Ecquador!

                All the smiling singing faces were in independent Ecquador...boy...Greece looks dark dulll and ...er ..tragic!

                                                                                                                                                                                            Or is that the point... come and unable us.

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