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April Employment Situation - HSM Sentiment Poll

Poll Results: will the april nonfarm payrolls beat, miss, or come inline of estimates?

Poll expired: May 4, 2012  
  • 0% (0)
    huge beat
  • 33% (2)
    slight beat
  • 33% (2)
    inline
  • 0% (0)
    huge miss
  • 33% (2)
    slight miss
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post #1 of 5
Thread Starter 

ok, just trying something new here with this...... thought we could open a poll once a month to see where hsm stands on these monthly bls figures... this is also open for discussion, so if you've got a thought about tomorrow's nfp report you'd like to share you can post it in here... this poll closes tomm morning.

 

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Employment Situation
Released On 5/4/2012 8:30:00 AM For Apr, 2012
  Prior Consensus Consensus Range
Nonfarm Payrolls - M/M change 120,000  165,000  105,000  to 244,000 
Unemployment Rate - Level 8.2 % 8.2 % 8.1 % to 8.3 %
Average Hourly Earnings - M/M change 0.2 % 0.2 % 0.1 % to 0.3 %
Av Workweek - All Employees 34.5 hrs 34.5 hrs 34.5 hrs to 34.6 hrs
Private Payrolls - M/M change 121,000  178,000  105,000  to 246,000 

Market Consensus before announcement
Nonfarm payroll employment in March advanced a modest 120,000, following increases of 240,000 in February and 275,000 in January. The March jobs report was clearly disappointing though the unemployment rate dipped to 8.2 percent from 8.3 percent in February. Private payrolls were barely stronger than overall, rising 121,000 in March after a 233,000 increase the prior month. Average hourly earnings rose 0.2 percent, following a 0.3 percent gain in February. The average workweek for all workers in March slipped to 34.5 hours from 34.6 in February. Analysts projected 34.5 hours for March.

Definition
The employment situation is a set of labor market indicators based on two separate surveys in this one report. Based on the Household Survey, the unemployment rate measures the number of unemployed as a percentage of the labor force. Other key series come from the Establishment Survey (of business establishments). Nonfarm payroll employment counts the number of paid employees working part-time or full-time in the nation's business and government establishments. The average workweek reflects the number of hours worked in the nonfarm sector. Average hourly earnings reveal the basic hourly rate for major industries as indicated in nonfarm payrolls.
 
[Chart]
During the mature phase of an economic expansion, monthly payrolls gains of 150,000 or so are considered relatively healthy. In the early stages of recovery though, gains are expected to surpass 250,000 per month. 
Data Source: Haver Analytics
 
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The civilian unemployment rate is a lagging indicator of economic activity. During a recession, many people leave the labor force entirely, so the jobless rate may not increase as much as expected. This means that the jobless rate may continue to increase in the early stages of recovery because more people are returning to the labor force as they believe they will be able to find work. The civilian unemployment rate tends towards greater stability than payroll employment on a monthly basis. It reveals the degree to which labor resources are utilized in the economy. 
Data Source: Haver Analytics
 

 

2012 Release Schedule
Released On: 1/6 2/3 3/9 4/6 5/4 6/1 7/6 8/3 9/7 10/5 11/2 12/7
Release For: Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov
 

 

Wall Street Has Lowered the Bar for April's Jobs Report

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April’s employment report is expected to show that the slow growing economy added about 170,000 jobs—better than March but a more sluggish pace than earlier in the year.
 
Economists expect to see the unemployment rate hold at 8.2 percent, when the report is released at 8:30 a.m. ET Friday. Wall Street is bracing for disappointment after March’s small 120,000 gain and a recent string of weak economic data.
 

For instance, the ISM nonmanufacturingsurvey Thursday was a bit lighter than expected, and the employment index in the service-sector survey slipped 2.5 points to 54.2. Even so, economists say one place the jobs number could deliver an upside surprise could be in retail.

 

On the bright side, the ISM manufacturing survey was much stronger than expected and the employment index in that report improved.

 

“We have seen tremendous growth in manufacturing employment. That has been a real growth engine. I’m not sure we’ll get as big a gain in April as we did in March,” said Deutsche Bank chief U.S. economist Joseph LaVorgna. “It’s the service sector we’re assuming improves. Retail, but also business services.”

 

LaVorgna expects to see 175,000 nonfarm payrolls were added in April. He said Thursday’s weekly report on jobless claims was a good sign, even though it came after the survey week. Claims were at 365,0000, after running at an elevated rate above 380,000 for the past three weeks.

 

“We said that Easter tends to distort claims for whatever reason. We tend to notice a pattern where claims rise the week before, and/or during the Easter week, and then gradually drift lower. We think that’s what’s happening,” LaVorgna said.

 

Economists also say March’s weak jobs number was the result of warm weather-related hiring pulled forward to the winter months, resulting in a payback in March. There is a debate about how much that payback will affect April and May payrolls.

 

“The lawn-mowing people already hired who they were going to hire back in February,” said Diane Swonk, chief economist at Mesirow Financial. She said the warm weather and seasonal factors have distorted the numbers, and have impacted her forecast, which is for 122,000 new jobs in April.

 

“The reality is it’s somewhat better than it looks. I think there’s still some resilience to the recovery, and the risks are Europe and the fiscal situation at the end of the year. To look at it, you need to sort of look at this as a moving average right now because of all the distortions we’re seeing,” she said. The average nonfarm-payroll gain for the past three months was 212,000.

 

Goldman Sachs economists expect to see only 125,000 nonfarm payrolls added in April, and they also see weather as a factor. But Goldman Economist Andrew Tilton agrees that if there’s a surprise, it may be in retail. In the employment reports in February and March, retail showed total layoffs of about 80,000 workers in the general apparel category. About 50,000 of those were in March — a record level — according to Tilton.

 

Manufacturing should see continued gains. “Auto workers are adding shifts,” said John Canally, LPL Financial economist and financial investment. “State and local government stuff is getting less worse.”

Canally said he will be particularly watching the temporary-help category, which saw a surprising decline of 8,000 workers in March.

 

“It had been up every month since July, roughly between 20,000 and 50,000 a month. If you get another one of those (declines) in April, then people might stand up and take pause because that’s a pretty good leading indicator. That would be a big concern to me if it’s a negative print,” said Canally.

 

Canally said March’s soft report may also look better when the latest employment report is released. “That’s the second-best month for upward revisions,” he said, noting that nine of the last 13 March reports were revised higher.

 

Small business could be one area adding jobs. The NFIB small business survey’s jobs report, released Thursday, showed that employers were still net positive when it came to jobs, though more firms cut employment than added jobs in April.

 

The average change in employment per firm was up 0.1 percent, down from the 0.2 percent in March. But there were more hard-to-fill jobs and employers plan to add more jobs. The NFIB also said that the net percent of business owners planning to create new jobs was positive in every industry and strongest in manufacturing and construction.

 

The NFIB said that the net percent of business owners planning to create new jobs was positive in every industry and strongest in manufacturing and construction.

 

Elisha Tropper, CEO of Cambridge Security Seals, runs a small manufacturing company in Pomona, N.Y. He started his company about 16 months ago, and employs 20 workers, who make security seals.

 

“If we grow, we will continue to hire,” he said. Tropper said his company is typical of the kind of manufacturing that he expects to see grow in the U.S. He said he pays close attention to things like energy efficiency and other cost-saving opportunities in production techniques, to make sure his American-made products are priced competitively.

 

He said there is also a shortage of skilled workers for the modern factory. “It’s a different kind of job. The things that are coming back are not going to be line jobs. The folks we hire are high five- and six-figures employees. They’re engineers. They’re highly educated. They’re mechanical engineers,” he said.

 


Edited by Cy McCaffrey - 5/4/12 at 5:28am
post #2 of 5

Inline is what I'm hearing.... not expecting a big market impact, myself. Just Average.

Seems to me the market reaction is greater with Bernanke and Lockehart speeches, rather than any real news.rolleyes.gif JMO.

post #3 of 5

Dont trust the number!

 

 


 

post #4 of 5

Interesting topic BB.

I gotta think that the only players relying on BLS statistics are retail.

It's been well known for years that BLS numbers are fudged.

 

I think the market movers, big money syndicates, whatever you want to call them,

do not care a whip for governmental statistics, at least not BLS numbers.laughing.gif IMO.

post #5 of 5

It will probably be within 20K of the 170K estimate depending on the part time hiring and retail hiring unknowns.  Impact should be minimal to markets however it does feel that investors are looking for a reason to sell this month and may take whatever dismal number we get as that reason.  Loading up on consumer discretionary stocks with dividends right now.  No matter what happens we'll still be drinking starbucks and buying throw pillows at Target IMHO.

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