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post #1 of 1043
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The markets displayed their resiliency again last week. After a little sell off that got all the bears excited early in the week, turn-around Tuesday lives up to its name once more!

 

S&P

 

The Russell which has been lagging the markets in recent sessions decided it was time to play catch up and made a big move on Friday.

 

AAPL announced the new iPad, its faster and has a better screen. Not the iPad 5 with holographic interface, but good enough to keep AAPL pushing the highs.

 

RussellAAPL

 

GMCR took a hit when SBUX announced that they are entering the one cup coffee machine market. Somebody made a mint off that event because they were buying GMCR puts ahead of the news. Which one of you was it?!? laughing.gif

 

GMCRSBUX

 

 

Greek CDS trigger, the market shrugs it off. Is this really a non-event or is it the beginning of something bigger?

 

One opinion on the matter:
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosuffer View Post

CDS trigger decision by ISDA is a good news for bears. These big banks would not like to trigger the CDS but they had no choice as a negative decision will erase the credibility of CDS instruments. Yes, the CDS payouts triggered in this case is a small amount and no big deal at the moment. However, this decision sets the precedent for future decisions when Italy, Spain, and Portugal defaults. If they use CACs, they will be found in default as in the case of Greece now. When that happens, it will be a very big deal and many banks will be unable to pay those CDS payouts.
 

 

Here is a nice joke

 

Rest of Europe Shouldn't Follow Greek Bailout: Dallara

http://www.cnbc.com/id/46682341

 

Dallara represented private bond holders in negotiations with Greece. Now that Greece kept 100 Billion dollars from those private investors successfully, he is worried that other EU governments may take the same path and cause more losses to these private bond holders again.

 

If Greece can get away with paying less, expect a few other countries to take the same route.

Like I said before, Greece is not a big deal but the precedent it sets for other EU countries is a big deal.

 

 

 

Economic events to watch for:

 

Monday Mar 12






Treasury Budget
[Report][djStar]
2:00 PM ET



Retail Sales
[Report][Star]
8:30 AM ET

Redbook
[Bullet
8:55 AM ET






Current Account
[Bullet
8:30 AM ET




Weekly Bill Settlement

3-Yr Note Settlement

10-Yr Note Settlement

30-Yr Bond Settlement

Jobless Claims
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8:30 AM ET










Money Supply
[Bullet
4:30 PM ET

Quadruple Witching



 

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post #2 of 1043

Yeah, if you look at SBUX and GMCR chart, you can see SBUX was being bought up, and GMCR was being sold off, prior to the "news" flash....it wasn't me.....that's for sure.

post #3 of 1043
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Originally Posted by OldFart View Post

Yeah, if you look at SBUX and GMCR chart, you can see SBUX was being bought up, and GMCR was being sold off, prior to the "news" flash....it wasn't me.....that's for sure.



The news obviously leaked, its tough trying to keep something like this under wraps.

 

If you are manufacturing your own coffee machine, the company that is making the machine and all its employees knew about this long ago.

post #4 of 1043

damn.. there was huge call volume for MCD before the sales announcement thursday.. wish that one played out like gmcr & sbux did. : (

post #5 of 1043

Oscar Carboni,without all the hand motions and yelling,explains why he thinks markets go higher. He speaks of,gold,dow transports,copper, the dax and bonds

 

 

post #6 of 1043

alot of leak talk, from companies to job reports, etc etc.. kinda wierd.

post #7 of 1043

Reminder: Time Change..

 

i wondered where an hr went..

post #8 of 1043

Apple has sold out of initial supplies of the new iPad in every country where it will launch the tablet on Friday, and is now telling buyers that orders will not ship for up to three weeks.

 

The shortages have again created opportunities for resellers who claim they will have the tablet next week.

On eBay, for example, prices for a 16GB Wi-Fi third-generation iPad run as high as $1,200, a 140% markup over that model's list price of $499, while 64GB 4G tablets are priced as high as $2,799, or 238% above the $829 list price.

 

PS: This reminds me of SJ's comment regarding people waiting in rain for hours in line for Ipad3

 

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9225077/Apple_runs_out_of_new_iPads_for_Friday_delivery

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Originally Posted by mjoke View Post

Reminder: Time Change..

i wondered where an hr went..

Just ask Jon Corzine.
post #10 of 1043

In the middle-east market seem to be in bull mode. DFM Index gained over 4.73% today with DFM gaining around 9.73%.

 

http://dfm.ae/Option3/default.aspx?t=N

 

For the Dubai Financial Market (whole Index) this is the largest gain since December 2009.

post #11 of 1043
Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosuffer View Post

Apple has sold out of initial supplies of the new iPad in every country where it will launch the tablet on Friday, and is now telling buyers that orders will not ship for up to three weeks.

 

The shortages have again created opportunities for resellers who claim they will have the tablet next week.

On eBay, for example, prices for a 16GB Wi-Fi third-generation iPad run as high as $1,200, a 140% markup over that model's list price of $499, while 64GB 4G tablets are priced as high as $2,799, or 238% above the $829 list price.

 

PS: This reminds me of SJ's comment regarding people waiting in rain for hours in line for Ipad3

 

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9225077/Apple_runs_out_of_new_iPads_for_Friday_delivery




I ordered 2 of them. One for me and one for my friend. I hope I don't see any freakin checkerboarding on my Safari or reloading when switching between tabs this time around.

post #12 of 1043

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldFart View Post

Yeah, if you look at SBUX and GMCR chart, you can see SBUX was being bought up, and GMCR was being sold off, prior to the "news" flash....it wasn't me.....that's for sure.

 

Was it Martha Stewart?
 

 

post #13 of 1043

Credit default swaps are insurance products. It’s time we regulated them as such.

 

This had enormous repercussions. The biggest underwriter of default swaps was AIG, the world’s largest insurer. Without that reserve-requirement limitation, it was free to underwrite as many swaps as it could print. And that was just what it did: AIG’s Financial Products unit underwrote more than $3 trillion worth of derivatives, with precisely zero dollars reserved for paying any potential claim.

 

Though this may sound utterly absurd today, circa 2005 it was considered brilliant financial engineering. Consider this quote from Tom Savage, the president of AIG FP: “The models suggested that the risk was so remote that the fees were almost free money. Just put it on your books and enjoy.”

 

Ahhh, free money — how could that dream ever go wrong?

As it turns out, quite easily. Underwriting swaps was enormously lucrative — so long as you don’t count that unpleasant crashing and burning into insolvency at the end.

Oh, and that massive $185 billion AIG government bailout. Aside from those tiny hiccups, there was some good money to be made.

 

It was more than just AIG. While the radical deregulation wrought by the CFMA led to AIG’s self-directed collapse, it also helped steer two of the largest securitizers of mortgages — Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers — into insolvency. Perhaps they were lulled into complacency, believing (wrongly) that they were hedged against losses. The CFMA led to their demise, and it was indirectly responsible for the collapse of Citigroup, Bank of America and Fannie and Freddie. It also was a significant factor in the near-death experiences of Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley and quite a few others.

 

Despite the CFMA’s horrific fatality toll, it has never been overturned. Parts of it were modified by Dodd-Frank regulations, but not the insurance exemptions. Today, these swaps are cleared through exchanges or clearinghouses — but they are still exempt from all insurance regulatory oversight. Which is bizarre, because they are little more than thinly disguised insurance products, with the CFMA kicker that there is no reserve requirement.

 

Which brings us more or less up to date — and onto more topical issues, such as Greece. Two weeks ago, the International Swaps and Derivatives Association said that “based on current evidence the Greek bailout would not prompt payments on the credit default swaps.”

That is an odd statement about a tradable asset — based on evidence? Typically, an option or futures contract expires, and it either is in or out of the money. Any tradable asset — stocks, bonds, futures, options, funds, etc. — settles on its own. There is a market price the asset closes at, a total volume of sales, and a final print for the day, month, quarter and year. No interpretation is required. Why on earth would anyone need a committee ruling for a trade?

 

On Friday, the ISDA committee ruled that Greece formally defaulted. Thank goodness that was cleared up. Had they failed to do so, it would have fatally damaged the swaps market and made sovereign debt financing much more expensive.

What makes this issue so fascinating is not whether Greece has or has not technically defaulted. Rather, it is that there is a committee of conflicted interested parties rendering a verdict on that issue.

 

Funny, no sort of group declaration is required when a futures contract or an option must settle. No committee decision is required. Which (again) is why credit-default swaps look, sound and act a lot more like insurance than they do other tradable assets.

Why does it matter if swaps are not insurance? In a word, reserves. That is the key difference between insurance and swaps. State insurance regulators actually require reserves from insurers — a lot of reserves — to ensure payments can be made in the event any payable event occurs. The swaps industry does not require reserves. Not even one penny against billions in potential losses.

 

I think you can see why this matters so much. Swaps are a lot less profitable as an insurance product than they are as a trading vehicle. That is the primary issue that we all should be concerned about. It is exactly how AIG blew itself up. There is nothing that prevents the marketplace from doing it again. We could very well see a repeat unless this gets resolved. Indeed, the odds heavily favor such an event occurring, unless we collectively do something to stop it.

 

Credit-default swaps are insurance products. It is well past time we regulated them as such.

 

By Ritholtz

 

post #14 of 1043

It's a novel idea in that it forces banks to create a large enough 'capital buffer' in case any of its 'investments' or 'market bets' go astray. Essentially, it allows CDS to be traded as insurance contracts (their real purpose), and not trading vehicles were any institution that has enough leverage can actually pose a threat to the system. The only problem with this is that there is not a big enough will to push for it in DC. First of all, who will command (or oversee) this new agency, and second, assuming that this reform or/and agency is created and passed, what guarantee is there that there will be not interference whatsoever by any bank, institution or private entity that could alter the course of that reform/agency. In other words, whose to say that event if the government creates this agency, that the agency itself will not be infiltrated by any private entity that is there for its own personal gain?

 

We saw this in 2007 when investment banks infiltrated the rating agencies and payed them to rate all of the CDO's and MBS as AAA, when most of these agencies knew from the get go  that the pooling of these securities warranted a grade of C - or worst. That's the problem I see. Basically a re-do of 2007 where the agency itself does more harm than good. I think its a great idea, but imposing it  and making it a viable long term solution is the real issue here.  

 

Note: I think Ritholtzr nailed it towards the end when he talked about the Greek default. I've highlighted below. 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosuffer View Post

Credit default swaps are insurance products. It’s time we regulated them as such.

 

This had enormous repercussions. The biggest underwriter of default swaps was AIG, the world’s largest insurer. Without that reserve-requirement limitation, it was free to underwrite as many swaps as it could print. And that was just what it did: AIG’s Financial Products unit underwrote more than $3 trillion worth of derivatives, with precisely zero dollars reserved for paying any potential claim.

 

Though this may sound utterly absurd today, circa 2005 it was considered brilliant financial engineering. Consider this quote from Tom Savage, the president of AIG FP: “The models suggested that the risk was so remote that the fees were almost free money. Just put it on your books and enjoy.”

 

Ahhh, free money — how could that dream ever go wrong?

As it turns out, quite easily. Underwriting swaps was enormously lucrative — so long as you don’t count that unpleasant crashing and burning into insolvency at the end.

Oh, and that massive $185 billion AIG government bailout. Aside from those tiny hiccups, there was some good money to be made.

 

It was more than just AIG. While the radical deregulation wrought by the CFMA led to AIG’s self-directed collapse, it also helped steer two of the largest securitizers of mortgages — Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers — into insolvency. Perhaps they were lulled into complacency, believing (wrongly) that they were hedged against losses. The CFMA led to their demise, and it was indirectly responsible for the collapse of Citigroup, Bank of America and Fannie and Freddie. It also was a significant factor in the near-death experiences of Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley and quite a few others.

 

Despite the CFMA’s horrific fatality toll, it has never been overturned. Parts of it were modified by Dodd-Frank regulations, but not the insurance exemptions. Today, these swaps are cleared through exchanges or clearinghouses — but they are still exempt from all insurance regulatory oversight. Which is bizarre, because they are little more than thinly disguised insurance products, with the CFMA kicker that there is no reserve requirement.

 

Which brings us more or less up to date — and onto more topical issues, such as Greece. Two weeks ago, the International Swaps and Derivatives Association said that “based on current evidence the Greek bailout would not prompt payments on the credit default swaps.”

That is an odd statement about a tradable asset — based on evidence? Typically, an option or futures contract expires, and it either is in or out of the money. Any tradable asset — stocks, bonds, futures, options, funds, etc. — settles on its own. There is a market price the asset closes at, a total volume of sales, and a final print for the day, month, quarter and year. No interpretation is required. Why on earth would anyone need a committee ruling for a trade?

 

On Friday, the ISDA committee ruled that Greece formally defaulted. Thank goodness that was cleared up. Had they failed to do so, it would have fatally damaged the swaps market and made sovereign debt financing much more expensive.

What makes this issue so fascinating is not whether Greece has or has not technically defaulted. Rather, it is that there is a committee of conflicted interested parties rendering a verdict on that issue.

 

Funny, no sort of group declaration is required when a futures contract or an option must settle. No committee decision is required. Which (again) is why credit-default swaps look, sound and act a lot more like insurance than they do other tradable assets.

Why does it matter if swaps are not insurance? In a word, reserves. That is the key difference between insurance and swaps. State insurance regulators actually require reserves from insurers — a lot of reserves — to ensure payments can be made in the event any payable event occurs. The swaps industry does not require reserves. Not even one penny against billions in potential losses.

 

I think you can see why this matters so much. Swaps are a lot less profitable as an insurance product than they are as a trading vehicle. That is the primary issue that we all should be concerned about. It is exactly how AIG blew itself up. There is nothing that prevents the marketplace from doing it again. We could very well see a repeat unless this gets resolved. Indeed, the odds heavily favor such an event occurring, unless we collectively do something to stop it.

 

Credit-default swaps are insurance products. It is well past time we regulated them as such.

 

By Ritholtz

 



 

post #15 of 1043
Thread Starter 

Here is my picture for March:

 

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post #16 of 1043

Lot of people are even more bullish, watch the market pull back, laughing.gif

post #17 of 1043

 

China Slowdown May Portend Easing as Asia Considers Options for Stimulus

 

 

Quote:

The world’s second-largest economy had the biggest trade deficit last month in at least 22 years, the weakest January- February factory-production gain since 2009 and retail sales below the median economist estimate, government data showed March 9 and 10. Inflation and lending growth also slowed, leaving Wen with more scope to loosen credit.

 

The nation may cut interest rates for the first time since 2008 or lower banks’ required reserves a third time in four months as policy makers across Asia balance preserving firepower for a deterioration in Europe’s debt crisis with controlling inflation. India last week unexpectedly reduced its cash reserve ratio, while Australia’s central bank said it has scope to lower rates and South Korea and Indonesia held off from stimulus.

 

 

Full article: Bloomberg

post #18 of 1043

well were at 161.8% retrace, i dont think she has much more. Also sentiment is getting flat.

 

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post #19 of 1043

Well everything in my brain screams Sell! ... but I'm done shorting this market.

 

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post #20 of 1043

At this point, no idea which way market has headed.  After looking at so many charts and doing some of my own, just don't know anymore.

 

Also, with our favorite one stock carry all in AAPL doing well with pre-orders, it may just translate over to earnings.  In the past, if people needed to take risk off the table, they would sell and go into cash.  Recently, if you want to take risk off the table, you sell and go into Apple stock.

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