What is SOPA and why should you care? - Page 3

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Originally Posted by vlandsponger 

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Originally Posted by BobK 

No sir, the flag will not stay inverted. You have violated the Flag Code and disrespected our country and all those that have died in our defense. I will let your post stand so others can see. Show your political views in a different manner as suggested in the code. YOUR DISRESPECT WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.

 

You have no legal rights on a private website and you can be banned in a heartbeat.

do you speak out against democratic offices flying a flag with Obamas face on it that is INTENDED to portray the American flag? Or when liberals burn/stomp/spit on the flag? Id just like to make sure you do..........because liberals tend to be hypocrites (though im not sure if youre a liberal or not im just saying)

I'm a conservative and any display that shows stars & stripes is a flag. Doesn't have to be an exact duplicate and there's isn't a representation, it is our flag. They should all be jailed or better yet if they're of age put them in the military. They'll learn respect.

As for SOPA ..ya been following it now and again.

As for the avatar thing.. pfft its fine with me, its against obama.

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If you want to apply anything here.. then i expect to see it on EVERY OTHER SITE ON THE INTERNET .. goodluck.

We had this debate in 2009 before some new members here ... and i see no problem with his display.. let him keep it..

He is in the politics section and posts in relation to that,.. this inst a politically correct site and other views are welcomed... adults need fun too in various ways.. some find offense okay so?? You have the right to be offended, i dont need to agree with everything..

I was against it too, and after debates and discussion, i grew up and realized its up to him..

He can display it up down or color it pink,. when hes against the current administration and the policies of such.

Im sure it will change when obama leaves office.

I agree with OldFart ... as he is referencing it into that, rather than the America in distress aspect.

Not gonna discuss it, as we did in years prior..

GO TRADE!

The meaning of an upside down flag is:

considered a sign of distress

form of protest

mutiny, piracy, sinking, coup, rebellion of the people/government

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_desecration

Flying an American flag upside down is not necessarily meant as political protest. The practice has its origin in a distress signal; displaying a flag in this manner is "a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property"; it has been used by extension to make a statement about distress in civic, political, or other areas. Upside-down flying of the flag was ruled constitutional in Spence v. Washington, a 1974 Supreme Court ruling.

I don't think 2shea meant it as an insult..... I think he is using the upside down flag as a protest....

Let me know when this gets changed. He has no constitutional rights on this forum.

http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/04C1.txt

lmao rob.. good point.. not everything applies everywhere.. I totally agree.. lol.

overkill perhaps or being a politically correct extremist, which is basically a vanilla flavor, hope you like.

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Originally Posted by NoJobRob 

If stars and stripes are illegal to have on clothing then the Harlem Globe Trotters should all be locked up. LOL And what about most of our olympic teams and country music stars? And clothes sold at Walmart? I could go on but you get the point... I don't think such absoluteness is necessary or constructive...

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Originally Posted by BobK 

I just noticed your avatar. Why do you display the flag upside down?

 

"The words "flag, standard, colors, or ensign", as used herein, shall include any flag, standard, colors, ensign, or any picture or representation of either, or of any part or parts of either, made of any substance or represented on any substance, of any size evidently purporting to be either of said flag, standard, colors, or ensign of the United States of America or a picture or a representation of either, upon which shall be shown the colors, the stars and the stripes, in any number of either thereof, or of any part or parts of either, by which the average person seeing the same without deliberation may believe the same to represent the flag, colors, standard, or ensign of the United States of America.

Source: Flag Code, Section 3

Therefore, a flag includes any representation of it of any substance, with stars and stripes of any number. This would include T-shirts and ties.

Other references in the Flag Code relevant to this question are:

• The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. (section 8d)
• It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like (section 8i)
• [It should not be] printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes (section 8i)
• The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature. (section 8g)
• No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. (section 8j)

The Flag Code states that the flag should never be worn. (Section 8d): "The flag should never be used as wearing apparel."

 

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Originally Posted by NoJobRob 

If stars and stripes are illegal to have on clothing then the Harlem Globe Trotters should all be locked up. LOL And what about most of our olympic teams and country music stars? And clothes sold at Walmart? I could go on but you get the point... I don't think such absoluteness is necessary or constructive...

Good point Rob and I agree. Now who says it's illegal to have on clothing? Try reading the code and understand what it means if you're going to post objections to something that was never stated. Maybe read my post again slowly. Here's the section of code you apparently didn't see.

  TITLE 4 - FLAG AND SEAL, SEAT OF GOVERNMENT, AND THE STATES

    CHAPTER 1 - THE FLAG

-HEAD-

    Sec. 8. Respect for flag

(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or

    drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in

    folds, but always allowed to fall free.

(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or

    athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the

    uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of

    patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and

    is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin

    being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.

Now I'm out of this thread and you good ol American boys continue on with the rebellion. We patriotic members of the United States that love our country will continue as we always do.

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Originally Posted by BobK 

 

 

 

Good point Rob and I agree. Now who says it's illegal to have on clothing? Try reading the code and understand what it means if you're going to post objections to something that was never stated. Maybe read my post again slowly. Here's the section of code you apparently didn't see.

 

  TITLE 4 - FLAG AND SEAL, SEAT OF GOVERNMENT, AND THE STATES

    CHAPTER 1 - THE FLAG

-HEAD-

    Sec. 8. Respect for flag

(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or

    drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in

    folds, but always allowed to fall free.

 

 

(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or

    athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the

    uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of

    patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and

    is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin

    being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.

Now I'm out of this thread and you good ol American boys continue on with the rebellion. We patriotic members of the United States that love our country will continue as we always do.

 

I was referring to this, actually. That section of the flag code you're citing is irrelevant to what I said, except for the part where it says "No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform."

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Originally Posted by BobK 

I'm a conservative and any display that shows stars & stripes is a flag. Doesn't have to be an exact duplicate and there's isn't a representation, it is our flag. They should all be jailed or better yet if they're of age put them in the military. They'll learn respect.

 

nm..

here for trading

Fascism Comes to the Internet: Introducing CISPA

Joe Wright

Activist Post

After nearly unprecedented push-back against bills SOPA and PIPA, their apparent defeat cannot yet be claimed.  Most skeptics presumed that the defeat of the aforementioned would only serve to offer a compromised "SOPA light" at some point to circumvent criticism over government censorship.  Well, it didn't take long.  In addition to OPEN and ACTA to combat supposed piracy issues in the U.S. and Europe respectively, we now have been presented with a full-on fascist template for Internet control where government and private corporations will work hand in hand under the very broad definition of cyber-security.

The CISPA acronym is probably the most honest of those proposed thus far, and certainly is self-explanatory: the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act. Cybersecurity initiatives themselves are framed in such a way as to declare the free and open Internet to be subsumed into national security infrastructure, thus giving it over to the Pentagon, NSA, and other [government agencies] for use in surveillance and even offensive war.  However, CISPA goes one step further to suggest that all information transmitted on this "national security infrastructure" is fair game for the prying eyes of the State. Most likely the private sector must bow to any and all demands made, or face being labeled as "supporters of terrorism".

Both House and Senate are due to address CISPA (H.R. 3523) in the last weeks of April -- we had better make noise ten times louder than what was made against previous attempts to hijack the Internet. 

Once the Internet is co-opted openly by the military-industrial-surveillance complex, there will be very little chance for regaining what will be lost.

Congress wants to use the threat of "cybersecurity" to undermine our Constitutional rights. Tell your lawmakers that we won’t stand for dangerous, unsupervised information sharing under the guise of cybersecurity.

contact your State Representatives and tell them to "Defeat CISPA" ...

https://action.eff.org/o/9042/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=8444

In a possible blow to RIAA/MPAA, and in a way that nicely ties this thread with the rest of the site, the GS developer who took HFT code and was imprisoned for theft has been let out on appeal.

It's not to say he won't be reamed by civil suits for IP infringement.

Because the court is directly telling Congress that criminal code does not apply to anyone who tries to "copy that floppy," the backlash may be a stronger push for something even broader.

http://gizmodo.com/5901263/court-rules-it-is-impossible-to-steal-computer-code

The case for control and surveilance has another example, the host refuses to take video down!!

       So as usual a few rotten apples...

http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/05/31/the-internet-was-hunting-luka-rocco-magnotta-long-before-the-murder/

They already have a internet for the internet.. well the 2nd version that is.. and you know there are restrictions and inherit freedom of speech issues already present.

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Originally Posted by 2SHEA 

Fascism Comes to the Internet: Introducing CISPA

 

Joe Wright

Activist Post

After nearly unprecedented push-back against bills SOPA and PIPA, their apparent defeat cannot yet be claimed.  Most skeptics presumed that the defeat of the aforementioned would only serve to offer a compromised "SOPA light" at some point to circumvent criticism over government censorship.  Well, it didn't take long.  In addition to OPEN and ACTA to combat supposed piracy issues in the U.S. and Europe respectively, we now have been presented with a full-on fascist template for Internet control where government and private corporations will work hand in hand under the very broad definition of cyber-security.

The CISPA acronym is probably the most honest of those proposed thus far, and certainly is self-explanatory: the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act. Cybersecurity initiatives themselves are framed in such a way as to declare the free and open Internet to be subsumed into national security infrastructure, thus giving it over to the Pentagon, NSA, and other [government agencies] for use in surveillance and even offensive war.  However, CISPA goes one step further to suggest that all information transmitted on this "national security infrastructure" is fair game for the prying eyes of the State. Most likely the private sector must bow to any and all demands made, or face being labeled as "supporters of terrorism".

Both House and Senate are due to address CISPA (H.R. 3523) in the last weeks of April -- we had better make noise ten times louder than what was made against previous attempts to hijack the Internet. 

 

Once the Internet is co-opted openly by the military-industrial-surveillance complex, there will be very little chance for regaining what will be lost.

 

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Congress wants to use the threat of "cybersecurity" to undermine our Constitutional rights. Tell your lawmakers that we won’t stand for dangerous, unsupervised information sharing under the guise of cybersecurity.

contact your State Representatives and tell them to "Defeat CISPA" ...

https://action.eff.org/o/9042/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=8444

OBAMA and the DEMS you disgusting sneaky SOB!

July 4th bill resolution, and claim they are updating a 1984 communications act.. yeah.. sure.

Kicks MC's Soap Box   Whats up bro =)

An Executive-Ordered Cyber Attack

It appears that the Obama regime is continuing its assault on the liberties of the people and the powers of Congress. Before a Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee hearing Wednesday, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said that a new cyber security executive order is "being drafted in the inter-agency process" and "is close to completion depending on a few issues that need to be resolved at the highest levels." She also said the draft order still must be reviewed by the wannabe dictator residing in the White House.

This executive order is allegedly aimed at protecting critical infrastructure, such as the electric power grid and major transportation networks, from cyber attack by creating a "voluntary" program in which private companies that operate key infrastructure would meet national cyber-security standards developed, in part, by the government. We all know that "voluntary" government programs soon become mandatory, and we also know what happens to standards that the government is allowed to set.

But perhaps the most worrisome issue is that for the government to fight and prevent cyber attacks it would have to control the routes of those attacks, i.e., the Internet. This executive order would allow the federal government to use almost any pretense to take control of the Internet and the instant communication and free flow of information that it allows.

This Obama executive order is also another end-run around Congress, as Obama began exploring this option last month after Senate Republicans blocked a sweeping cyber security bill proposed by Senator Joe Lieberman (I-CT). Sadly, Lieberman, chairman of the Senate Homeland Security Committee, said he was delighted to hear about the executive order and he encouraged the White House to move forward on implementation and not wait for Congress to pass cyber security legislation.

Congress? Constitution? Who needs them?