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Found this post on another forum and felt like sharing it. This post definitely reinforces what I have been learning and also served as a wake up call for some mistakes. I think many HSM members can profit from this

 

I think that it is impossible to ever 'predict' the movements of the market. Its funny, when people ask me something like "what do you think the dollar is going to do in whatever period of time", I always say that I have no idea. This sometimes causes people to look at me with disbelief, presumably wondering how someone who seemingly has such impressive returns knows so little about what the market may do. Ironically, it was that very realization - and figuring out to how translate that into a practicable, mechanical format - that finally afforded the kind of profitability that I wanted. And this is a statement that many, many traders would disagree with, which is precisely why I think that the vast majority fail to make significant money, and why the analysts seem wrong nearly as often as they are right.

When you first see that certain technical trading setups go a certain direction more often than not, you start to subconsciously believe that any such setup WILL or SHOULD go in that direction, instead of that it merely has a slightly higher than x% chance of going in that direction. It is a key distinction that most traders - including many great technical guys that I have known, who are able to expertly read the complexities of price movements, and who sometimes even give theoretical lip service to these very concepts - fail to ever substantively realize, or at least effectively put into practice.

It is ultimately about ego. So many get caught up in trying to be so clever with their charts and indicators, in an effort to win all the time. I certainty did myself, reveling in my winning trades and chastising myself for the losers. "I should have seen the resistance at 1.3729, and it was obviously breaking out of the trend line, especially when I draw it like that. How could I have missed that factor - I'll never make that mistake again." This, however, implicitly assumes you are somehow responsible for that loss; that you were somehow ever actually in control of what the market was going to do. It is a dangerous mentality to have, and one that is unfortunately born from the equally instrumental realization that you can actually make money from trading the market.

I even think the basic tool of drawing a support or resistance line on a chart is potentially hazardous, as its exact placement is really so arbitrary, but once you put it there it suddenly seems so authoritative - like a constraint that you have craftily imposed upon the market. I prefer to passively OBSERVE concepts like support and resistance in the functioning of my systems, rather than trading based on my imperfect, arbitrary, and surely biased understanding of their specific placements.

Unlike many traders, I don't even set targets for trades, since I believe that even that would be forecasting. I exit the trade reactively when the market tells me to. It could be at a large profit, a small profit, breakeven, or a small loss - and I couldn't care less about which one it turns out to be on any given trade; only that the statistical outcome over many, many trades is within the appropriate range. One of the shrewdest statements that I ever heard on this was that the only way to make a million dollars in trading (as opposed to investing) is to make 10 million dollars and lose 9 million dollars (in concept, at least: some of you may well be making 10 million and losing only 8, or 7, or 6.2...)

In essence, one could view this as a debate between proactive and reactive modes of thinking. In many - if not most - areas of life, proactive behaviors are rewarded. CEOs and heads of industry are generally proactive people - decision makers who exercise control over their situations and environments. It is the reactive people that society generally doesn't reward: the guy who waits for life to present him an opportunity rather than actively trying to create one. I myself am a control freak - a trait that served me well in life until I encountered the insanity of the markets. I wanted so desperately to control them - to be smart, to be right, to win, to see the complexities in a movement that others 'foolishly' missed and bask in the resulting accolades - and nearly drove myself crazy in the process.

My closing advice is not to do this, although I think it is almost an inevitability of the learning process - I am forever envious of those that don't have to go through this, or who can somehow consistently profit from it. In short, it is understanding that randomness and making money from the market aren't nearly as mutually exclusive as it would intuitively seem. To the diversified 'buy and hold' guys as to many an active trader, they are seemingly incommensurable opinions - but I have found that it is a complete surrender to the randomness of any one trade that allows for a grounded confidence in a statistically significant outcome over many instances.

Best of luck,

Chris

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As tempted as I am to play a potential bounce here. I am skipping. No divergence yet for a CT trade

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Ranging days make me 2guns.gif

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I thew some chips at ES last night. short 11.50. 

We'll see what happens. Not risking very much because a close

above the weekly auction (points) and I will look for longs on pullbacks to 13

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I'm calling that good until FOMC. 

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MFE 3

MAE 2.75

Profit Factor 1.09

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Originally Posted by IchibomB View Post

I'm calling that good until FOMC. 

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MFE 3

MAE 2.75

Profit Factor 1.09

 

Nice thumbup.gif

 

Just took a short at 1409

 


 

 

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Out 1 @ +2.25pt

2nd in BE

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Stop moved to lock in 1.5

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Oh yea PT at 1402.25

 

 

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Out 1.5 2nd contract

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Short again at 1407.25

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First target hit for +1

 

Stop moved to -0.75 for 2nd contract

 

No matter what +0.25 on this trade.

 

Leaving the next target at 1402

 

 

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Shorted 6B at 1.5977  Just woke up. Target 1.595 but I'll let it run if it does. Potential is 1.5834.



 

Trailing stop hit at 1.596 so I locked in $106.25 profit. I'm just watching 6B today for more opportunities.

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J, maybe me and Ichi can keep up with you today. laughing.gif

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Shorted 6B 1.5931 I think now it's headed for 1.5834. I'm out at 1.5904. Watched it drop to 1.5884 and let it come back to see if it would turn. It didn't so I will continue to watch.


Edited by Bob Korreck - 4/3/12 at 3:49pm
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Nice trades, gentleman!

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Just got back from the gym. Missed the post-FOMC trade.

 

Price finally got to S1 that I have been gunning for all morning, and without me of course.

 

Killer trade Bob thumbup.gif

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Recap of the day:

 

Points gained: +2.25

Total trades: 2

Winners: 2

Potential trades: 6

 

Got my profit target of +2 again today with no losses the past two days. My first trade I almost skipped, and like yesterday, I forced myself to go through with my plan and it turned out to be a great winner. I had a goal set yesterday that stated if a traded was initiated near a pivot, I will attempt to exit at next pivot. I honored that by taking partial profit and moving stop to BE in an attempt to reach the next pivot (no way will I never turn a winning trade into a losing one. never). Second trade was definitely an aggressive trade. Not much price action there but the trade was entered purely based on its location. Took partial profit at 1:1 and instead of moving stop to BE, I reduced risk by a little my moving stop to -0.75. That way even if I'm stopped out, I get out at +0.25 since I took +1 with half of position already.

 

Positives of the day: Overcoming doubts. Good risk management on second trade.

Negatives of the day: Missing some trades. Can't always do this. Need to take this more seriously

Note of the day: Pivot by itself is meaningless. Missed trade #2 for example.

Goals for tomorrow: Continue aiming for pivot to pivot. 

 

A few missed trades (orange circles) in the morning and those I wouldn't have normally taken because I am not comfortable with it yet. On hindsight they are winners but for now I'll be observing to see how these actions play out in the future.

 

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After the FOMC announcement, there were two potential trades that I wasn't here for. One is a with-trend trade, very simple and straight forward. The other is one of my favorite CT play.

 

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Originally Posted by BobK View Post

Shorted 6B 1.5931 I think now it's headed for 1.5834. I'm out at 1.5904. Watched it drop to 1.5884 and let it come back to see if it would turn. It didn't so I will continue to watch.



 

End of the day I made $218 off of 6B, the only thing I traded. 3 trades, no losses. banana.gif

 

At 5:44 AM hit my buy limit and I'm long at 1.5853. Stop placed at 1.5818. I may let it run all day because yesterday I lost several hundred from protecting profit and getting out too early. Ichi and myself talked about that last night so I'm going to let it go today.


Edited by Bob Korreck - 4/4/12 at 8:45am
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I let one go as well. 

I had to take profit with only one lot.

Entered this before I went to bed. Just got up thumbup.gif

 

MAE 12

MFE 1

Profit 10.5

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