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Old Jan 3rd, 2006, 09:00 AM   #1
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I seached and could'nt find anything on it so hopefully this isn't a repost. I have no experience with currency trading so I wanted to get your guys opinion on this. All the guys I work with here in Iraq have bought Iraqi Dinar the exchange rate is like $1 US to $1500 Iraqi Dinar (the rates you see to buy it online are a rip off). The currency has'nt hit the world market yet, but the rumor is that when the currency does it will eventually rise to its pre gulf war rate which is something like $1 Iraqi Dinar to $3.40 US.

I've always put it off as they can't do that because then that would make the entire country rich (their soldiers earn a half million dinar a month). But then again Kuwait was a nothing country and now 1 in 3 cars is a lambo, porsche, ferrari, corvette and all their help is imported. So i'm a ask the experts
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Old Jan 3rd, 2006, 09:07 PM   #2
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I seached and could'nt find anything on it so hopefully this isn't a repost. I have no experience with currency trading so I wanted to get your guys opinion on this. All the guys I work with here in Iraq have bought Iraqi Dinar the exchange rate is like $1 US to $1500 Iraqi Dinar (the rates you see to buy it online are a rip off). The currency has'nt hit the world market yet, but the rumor is that when the currency does it will eventually rise to its pre gulf war rate which is something like $1 Iraqi Dinar to $3.40 US.

I've always put it off as they can't do that because then that would make the entire country rich (their soldiers earn a half million dinar a month). But then again Kuwait was a nothing country and now 1 in 3 cars is a lambo, porsche, ferrari, corvette and all their help is imported. So i'm a ask the experts
I saw your post but I don't have the answer. It seems to me that whatever the currency was based on has changed. If that changes back, be it commerce or oil, or crops or what have you, then the currency will slowly climb back up. As that occurs, pay will go down in the # of dinars but should climb slowly in value with inflation, etc. As for socking away boatloads of cash hoping for a comeback. I doubt it.
A better investment in my mind would be if one of the oil companies goes public on a foreign stock exchange. I'd try to do some basic research on companies that would have a worldwide appeal after the recovery.

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Old Jan 5th, 2006, 03:10 PM   #3
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Iraqishell - I've been lookin at that too
may be a long hold but worht throwing a few bucks at just in case

whats the ratio the online sellers of the dinar are getting.

can you currently ship any of the dinar out of country via mail etc?

drop me a pm if you'd like
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Old Jan 6th, 2006, 03:02 AM   #4
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the 2 cases are totally different,after the kuwait invasion it plummited naturally,immediately after the war their currency regained its value very quickly because 1.their major banks didn't sell their currency 2.they still are the worlds richest country per capita. even iraqi banks have been selling their own currency since the day it was issued,what's that tell you? it will plummit when it hits the worl market because it is simply overvalued right now. only my opinion fools gold!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old Jan 6th, 2006, 03:47 AM   #5
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Okay, let me just throw my 2 cents worth into this conversation. I too am currently working in Iraq and have been so for about a year now. I've heard all kinds of stories from people who are kicking themselves for not buying Kuwaiti dinar during the first gulf war. Is Iraq going to be another Kuwait? I doubt it. Kuwait was a lot better off before the invasion than Iraq was before the start of this war. Still, I am here in country, and I see that America is dedicated to helping the country rebuild and we are pouring billions of dollars to help the new government. I don't think the new government will fail because I don't think we will let if fail, or can afford to let if fail. I myself bought a little over a million dinars just to tuck away somewhere and forget about it, hoping maybe someday it will be worth something. It is a very small amount of money to spend for a chance at some kind of gain. I've heard of some spending thousands on dinars or investing their money for retirement and I think it would be foolish to do so because there is still so much turmoil here in country. There are just too many unknowns. Still, I think spending $760 dollars for a million dinar is not a bad idea at all. After all, if the value drops to nothing, dinars will be cool to give away.
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Old Jan 6th, 2006, 12:05 PM   #6
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Hiya,
For whatever its worth, my best GUESS on this situation, and I have researched this only a little bit (and no--I do not own any Dinars), is that this is a gamble...its 50/50 as to what its gonna do. Buying this is like buying a sub-penny stock or dropping a blind bet on a table game in Vegas. LUCK may have a lot to do with this.. You may as well spend $750 on QBID (or similar stock) right now and get 2+M shares and hope for the same thing of it goin to $1 in value per share in a few years. Only difference being--you will probably be more able to sell off your QBID shares faster and with more ease then you would to be selling your Iraqi Dinars anytime soon.. If the Dinar does nothing--its only spendable in one place, and I do not know of any beachfront resorts to vacation at going up in Iraq anytime soon..or anyone who would want to vacation there..

If you wish to compare or think of this situation to Kuwait and how things worked for them--its two different animals and not comparable at all. Kuwait was invaded but already had a stable functioning profitable economic infrastructure and established trade system already in place to return to when the occupation was over.. Iraq however does not--it was a sole dictatorship with very limited trade & resource abilities...and its new infrastructure is something that may take a decade or longer to build and stabilize into something that MAY work out. Or it may not work out and the place could remain impovershed or occupied, or worse become a breeding ground for terrorism and more conflict--which would do wonders for its economy--NOT... Who knows...

But--what about the OIL.. Well..what about it? Will the oil be a sole-source cash cow for the country OR will it be simply offset and used as its only source of value to fix its own economic DEBT it will incur to rebuilding its country and establishing a new government and business infrastructure?? They are basically building themselves a new country with all the fiscal responsibilities and industrial investments and risks that are going to go along with it--and that costs $$$$$$$$$$$$ of dollars to do, and is not gonna happen in a year or two--no matter how much Oil you may have. Plus--who is to say the Iraqi's will stick with their new Dinar and not go to the Euro in a few years...or even come up with a NEW dinar with a Haliburton logo as its seal. The old Saddam Dinar will never be worth anything except "history" now.. And if you want to compare the Old Saddam Dinar and its old value to what may happen in the future, you have to keep in mind that the inflated $3 USD value for every $1 Saddam Dinar was set BY the Iraqi dictatorship, and not based in the open free trade markets.. What WAS its value or would its value have been then? So it was like saying "my 1 piece of paper is worth 3 of yours--but I'm not going to prove that it really IS that valuable by any means by testing it against other pieces of paper, I'm just going to SAY it is that valuable cause that is what I want to believe (and everyone else in the world has levied trade sanctions against me for being a brutal dickhead--but I don't want to play or share with them either..so NYYYYA :P )."

That being said--lots of fortunes have been made on such gambles...and countless lots of "nothing" have been made on such gambles.. History does have a tendancy to repeat itself and yes--Oil is the number one thing to own or have if you want to be a economic player.. But having a valuable resource (and only ONE really valuable resouce, outside of a surplus of beach sand I might add), but no means to DO anything with it, or have anyone to govern at how it gets traded, still makes it pretty impotent for the time being.

Perhaps owning a million Dinars is a gamble your KIDS can benefit from in 10-20 years...again who knows? Since I am not planning on buying any Dinars this will probably be the one thing that shoots up to the moon--and I will have missed it. But the research and speculation out there is that this is flogging a dead horse to go crazy and spend a usable amount of $$ on something that may end up being about as useful later as a coupon--usable in only one country on earth. So there is lots to be considered before you pluck down your money to buy Iraqi Dinars... You are not better off for buying it..and no worse off if it does nothing. But again--who knows what will happen in the future.

Think of this as buying a novelty rather then an investment for now--the new Iraqi Dinar is a very pretty piece of art work with some similar snazzy security features--but its up to the buyer as for the reason to own it. Many a persons novelty for Star Trek collectables or Baseball Cards has paid off in years time....but more often it has just pleased the person who simply WANTED to own it at the time of buying. Time, and how things go in Iraq and how they rebuild and basically start over, will tell where it goes..

My only advice if you are planning to buy some Dinars--do some DD and find a reputable company/dealer to buy them from. I understand there are a lot of scams and rip offs out there--not scams for prices so much but scams for actually sending you the REAL and not fake Dinars (or sending you anything at all). eBay apparently has some of the better offerings....

JMO...
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Old Jan 6th, 2006, 10:51 PM   #7
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I've seen many places claim what the Iraqi Dinar was worth during the Saddam era. Let's not forget just that, Saddam was in charge. The Iraqi Dinar was worth pretty much whatever Saddam wanted it to be worth, and he could have very easily lied about anything and everything regarding their currency.
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Old Jan 8th, 2006, 03:42 PM   #8
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if you still think the dinar will appreciate start a account in kuwait central bank that way you dont ever have to worry about iraq exchanging currency AGAIN at least try and protect your investment!good luck to all
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Old Jan 16th, 2006, 09:08 PM   #9
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Greatest investment ever. DINAR

Wouldnt it be wise to invest in the iraqi dinar. its just above its all time low due to the war effort and restructuring. It now trades roughly around 1,450 dinar to 1 usd. This used to be(before war) 3 dinar to 1 usd. Analyst say it will go back to where it was and in 2003 were looking at the middle of 2006 for this to start a good climb back. Think of it, after and during ww2 the german and jap currency went to crap. A few years later people became millionaires who saw the investment opportunity. Even if it went to 100 dinar for 1usd. You still would have made 15 times your investment and this is a very reasonable number to reach within the next year or 2. Please research and look into this and post your thoughts and opinions. Thanks.
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Old Jan 16th, 2006, 09:59 PM   #10
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Well you know mcd it really isnt a bad idea. About 1000 usd will get you about 1,000,000 Iraqi dinar. I was thinking of investing about 1000-2000, I guess its what I can afford to lose...haha...but ive been doing some research and there seems to be much more upside potential than downside. I was also reading somewhere that the dinar may get added to the forex market. Also I reading that the biggest dinar customers are U.S. soldiers and employees of Kellogg Brown & Root, which is a subsidiary of the contracting firm Halliburton that has a very large workforce in iraq. It must be because these people are seeing the rebuilding firsthand and hopefully a stable government is being put into place. Im going to do some more digging first before any purchase is made.
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